12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen (Read 22806 times)

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mauidog

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2015, 04:57:10 PM »
The future does not belong to people so extreme and defensive that they freak out and kill others when their religious prophet's cartoon character is drawn.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

zippz

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2015, 05:19:10 PM »
Not going to be the last.

I wonder what the gun laws are in France.  Are they able to own firearms there?

dirsh

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2015, 05:25:44 PM »
I need to protect myself. stop infringing me merica!
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Lockin

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2015, 06:06:06 PM »
Gun laws in france are far stricter than US. Semi's are illegal for most. But having lived and worked in southern euro zone i can tell u the borders are porous to say the least. Lots of illegal imigrants from thom the middle east war zones. Not to mention eastern europe.

crazy cat

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2015, 06:54:01 PM »
Gun laws are quite strict in France, but there are millions of guns left over from WWII that nobody ever turned in.  They're mostly buried, though. 

http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/24/pippas-well-armed-parisian-adventure

 According to the 2003 Small Arms Survey (PDF) at the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva, Switzerland, in most of Europe, "public officials readily admit that unlicensed owners and unregistered guns greatly outnumber legal ones." In France, the survey found, that meant 2.8 million legal firearms, and 15-17 million illegal guns, in civilian hands.

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Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2015, 08:21:15 PM »
I can't wait for this to happen in the US, not that it has already.  Liberal idiots are still in denial, we think they are in denial, but in truth the Liberals are siding with the Muslims.  Why? I wish I knew. 

I think their view is keep your enemies close....but in the end these bastards will slaughter the Liberals! and they wont know what hit them......
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ren

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2015, 08:29:37 PM »
Tragedy no doubt - but the paper did poke the hornet's nest. Some of their cartoons were very disrespectful. I certainly don't think they deserved to die for their opinions but a freedom/right doesn't serve as a shield for consequences. A freedom/right has a responsibility. Their viewpoints and perspectives were very distasteful. Freedom will allow you to do certain things such as swimming in the ocean with hungry predators - but that doesn't protect you from being bit.
Of course the media won't come out and say this but that is what happened. Media have power to project messages but they also have a responsibility.
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mauidog

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2015, 08:45:11 PM »
Tragedy no doubt - but the paper did poke the hornet's nest. Some of their cartoons were very disrespectful. I certainly don't think they deserved to die for their opinions but a freedom/right doesn't serve as a shield for consequences. A freedom/right has a responsibility. Their viewpoints and perspectives were very distasteful. Freedom will allow you to do certain things such as swimming in the ocean with hungry predators - but that doesn't protect you from being bit.
Of course the media won't come out and say this but that is what happened. Media have power to project messages but they also have a responsibility.

You sound exactly like the guy saying, "I feel sorry for her getting raped, but the way she dressed ... she was asking for it!" 

Nobody expects rights to shield anyone from "consequences," but neither should anyone expect to be killed for expressing an idea ... an idea that was satire, not a serious, opposing viewpoint!

Sharks?  You think a human has the thought processes and impulse control of a sea creature?

Sounds like you took Hillary's advice to empathize with the enemy.  You obviously think the feelings of the Islamic terrorists need to be considered before anyone does or says anything that might be offensive.

Gee, that sounds like a plan.  Let's not do anything that might offend the Muslim extremists.  If we just play nice, they are sure to like us then!!
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

ren

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2015, 09:37:58 PM »
You sound exactly like the guy saying, "I feel sorry for her getting raped, but the way she dressed ... she was asking for it!" 

Nobody expects rights to shield anyone from "consequences," but neither should anyone expect to be killed for expressing an idea ... an idea that was satire, not a serious, opposing viewpoint!

Sharks?  You think a human has the thought processes and impulse control of a sea creature?

Sounds like you took Hillary's advice to empathize with the enemy.  You obviously think the feelings of the Islamic terrorists need to be considered before anyone does or says anything that might be offensive.

Gee, that sounds like a plan.  Let's not do anything that might offend the Muslim extremists.  If we just play nice, they are sure to like us then!!

we all have our own opinions but I'm not Hillary Clinton.
And I don't condone rape in that situation. That's a whole 'nother issue.
1st amendment gives us Americans the right to express ourselves right?
Goes back to childhood - nothing nice to say don't say it. It seems OK to satirize religion but not OK to do the same on LGBT or race issues. Say the "N" word if you are not black and Al Sharpton will be visiting you. Say the "F" word or express your Christian viewpoints on a show and it will be cancelled.
I'm not considering the feelings of those terrorists but Islam as a whole and other religions, groups etc. It seems that we take a freedom and offer no restraint just because it is given to us.

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mauidog

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 09:44:19 PM »
we all have our own opinions
but I'm not Hillary Clinton.
And I don't condone rape in that situation. That's a whole 'nother issue.
1st amendment gives us Americans the right to express ourselves right?
Goes back to childhood - nothing nice to say don't say it. It seems OK to satirize religion but not OK to do the same on LGBT or race issues. Say the "N" word if you are not black and Al Sharpton will be visiting you. Say the "F" word or express your Christian viewpoints on a show and it will be cancelled.
I'm not considering the feelings of those terrorists but Islam as a whole and other religions, groups etc. It seems that we take a freedom and offer no restraint just because it is given to us.

So, when, exactly, do you condone rape?
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

ren

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 09:46:03 PM »
So, when, exactly, do you condone rape?
I don't at all. It was a mistype/wrong words in referencing the situation you painted. You can argue/nitpick my response to prove your point but there's no sense in arguing, there's nothing to gain.
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mauidog

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 10:00:05 PM »
I don't at all. It was a mistype/wrong words in referencing the situation you painted. You can argue/nitpick my response to prove your point but there's no sense in arguing, there's nothing to gain.



You know, anytime you sound like you're blaming the victim, you've already painted yourself into a corner! 

I was just trying to get you to see how, even though there are things the victims might have done differently to prevent the attacks, their actions in no way make them responsible. 

You know not to leave your door open, but that's not an invitation for a thief to enter.  It's still against the law to steal, and making it easier does not mean you share in the guilt.

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An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

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drck1000

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2015, 07:17:28 AM »
Tragedy no doubt - but the paper did poke the hornet's nest. Some of their cartoons were very disrespectful. I certainly don't think they deserved to die for their opinions but a freedom/right doesn't serve as a shield for consequences. A freedom/right has a responsibility. Their viewpoints and perspectives were very distasteful. Freedom will allow you to do certain things such as swimming in the ocean with hungry predators - but that doesn't protect you from being bit.
Of course the media won't come out and say this but that is what happened. Media have power to project messages but they also have a responsibility.
They interviewed an editor from another French magazine this morning and he mentioned that they did satire on everyone, not just Islam/Muslim topics.  Something about "that's French humor".  Are some of the stuff in distaste?  Yeah, probably.  However, its seems like that publication slammed everyone. 

Drakiir84

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2015, 07:34:39 AM »
In regards to gun control Frances' laws are extremely strict.  So strict in fact that the 2 officers that were killed by the gunmen WERE NOT ARMED!  That's French policy. 

Islamic Extremists represent the most violent religious sect in the world.  Islam by and large is a peaceful religion and while the distinction should absolutely be made, the religious extremists NEED to be labeled.  Our current administration has taken political correctness to an extreme level and has coaxed a good portion of the country into doing the same.  When ISIS came to public view the president wanted to be clear in saying that ISIS was not Islamic when the fucking name stands for ISLAMIC State in Iraq and Syria.  This type of political correctness is a cancer that needs to be cut out before it spreads too far.  When people can't speak their mind the truth will be lost.

My prayers go out to those affected by these terrorist's abhorrent actions.  Having your feelings hurt is no excuse for harming others.
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Jl808

12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 08:15:41 AM »
Islamic terrorists are becoming bolder in their conquest for Europe. When they're done there, I suspect that the U.S. is their next target.
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Lockin

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2015, 08:39:11 AM »
Conquest of Europe? No chance.

aieahound

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2015, 09:41:53 AM »
My main concern is that this will inspire more Lone wolf knuckleheads to action.

And that these guys were apparently well trained and planned this shit out.

They still haven't caught them last I heard.

Cops with no guns. That makes for a pretty appealing target for knuckleheads...just like our ridiculous gun free zones....which unfortunately is the whole state of Hawaii.

stangzilla

Re: 12 killed in Paris from military style gunmen
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2015, 09:52:58 AM »
1 guy, 18 year old turned himself in, supposedly the driver
and still looking for the other 2
morning news on Fox said the other 2 were spotted at a gas station in another city / town
I saw SWAT like forces going house to house in some town.