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medical clearance flagged
« on: February 04, 2015, 01:47:28 PM »
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So last week I purchased a new firearm and filled out all the necessary paperwork. Listed kaiser as my medical. Then today I get a call from hpd indicating my medical had been flagged.?? This makes no sense. I never had any law violations or seen a doctor for anything besides if I was sick last yr. Hpd tells me I need my pcp to write letter indicating I'm good own a firearm? So I called my pcp and he states kaiser can not give out that info to hpd or anyone as our records are confidential. They cannot say whether we can own or not own a firearm. So I called hpd bAck for clarification and they said kaiser flagged my record.  Hpd tells me kaiser is saying it was flagged but when I talked to kaiser they said they don't give out that info saying we are fit or  unfit. This run around is really messed up and I cannot get a correct answer. Hpd tells me to contact Lisa Teves from kaiser. Apparently she is one of the people who look at the mental health portion or something like that at kaiser but when I called no one knows who she is.  So I called hpd back and told them that my pcp wont write a letter so now I have to find an outside medical doctor or psychologist to write me a letter, pay out of pocket, and take time off work. I told both hpd n kaiser that I just recently bought a handgun last month without any problems and for years prior to that without problems so why all of a sudden now I have to go through all these extra steps. Now my purchase of 700 turns into 1000 with time off work and paying for an outside doctor. To top it off I still can't get an answer as to who flagged my medical when I clear of everything. Makes me wanna get a lawyer and sue whoever is indicating that in flagged and for what?!  I dont know any suggestions? Did any of you go through this kind of bs? Any help is appreciated.
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zippz

Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2015, 01:51:09 PM »
You should talk to the HRA.  They're trying to work this issue with Kaiser and HPD.
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Funtimes

Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2015, 02:38:03 PM »
Don't ask them to determine whether or not you are fit.  Thtat's not their decision.  Ask them to determine, based on your medical files, if you are currently under any adverse effects of a mental illness.   Huge difference!

I would also demand HPD produce my files for public records inspection.  They can't claim any exceptions - it's your information; file the UIPA if necessary.
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2015, 02:41:32 PM »
Another mess up by kaiser
I would demand to see administration or records department
File a big complaint. They hate complaints.

I figure it's another clerical oversight by kaiser
I would go there and don't leave until they make it right
This has happened several times
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2015, 02:44:42 PM »
Quote from: stangzilla on February 04, 2015, 02:41:32 PM
Another mess up by kaiser
I would demand to see administration or records department
File a big complaint. They hate complaints.

I figure it's another clerical oversight by kaiser
I would go there and don't leave until they make it right
This has happened several times

I think people should start lobbying Kaiser to just not respond to these requests. They are voluntary.  Why deal with the headache?  They are under no duty to respond to them.

I also encourage people to file a complaint against the license of the individual / doctor that reviewed the records if they have said license.   Too many of those complaints and it could become problematic for them to seek employment and/or retain that license to practice.
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 02:57:30 PM »
Thanks guys
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 02:58:52 PM »
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« Last Edit: February 25, 2021, 10:06:45 PM by Q »
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 03:16:47 PM »
So I just called kaiser again regarding my concern they said they'd have someone from the records dept call me back.    They better fix this mess or ima make a huge complaint with them and their admin. I'll keep you all posted....
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2015, 03:17:48 PM »
Quote from: Q on February 04, 2015, 02:58:52 PM
Anyone noticed that these mental flags are becoming more common?

Yeah they are making it more difficult for "the people" to own!!!!!
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 04:28:53 PM »
A lot of things in kaiser system are messed up.
I would not doubt if the doctors don't even look at the medical clearance letters from hpd
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 04:38:19 PM »
Quote from: stangzilla on February 04, 2015, 04:28:53 PM
A lot of things in kaiser system are messed up.
I would not doubt if the doctors don't even look at the medical clearance letters from hpd

My own pcp doesn't even know anything about it. So my question is who the heck is making the evaluation and assessment?!
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z06psi

Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 04:47:30 PM »
Still say its a lawsuit at this point.
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2015, 04:49:15 PM »

Maybe this is a factor?



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Kaiser Permanente workers in Hawaii begin 6-day strike

 By AUDREY McAVOY - Associated Press - Monday, February 2, 2015

HONOLULU (AP) - Kaiser Permanente workers in Hawaii on Monday started a six-day strike with picketing in front of clinics and a hospital.

Unite Here Local 5 union members held signs and chanted “Fair is fair, we want our share” as they walked in in front of Kaiser’s Honolulu clinic.

Medical assistant Dione Ortiz, 32, said she’s striking to protect worker pensions and protest staffing shortages.

Ortiz said that she has frequently had to assist two doctors instead of one because of a lack of staffing during the past year. This results in longer wait times for patients and isn’t fair to patients or doctors, she said.

“It’s difficult to give each individual the care that they need. So we need the staffing, we need help, we need support,” said Ortiz, who has worked at Kaiser for five years.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/2/kaiser-permanente-workers-in-hawaii-begin-6-day-st/#ixzz3QppXVOSN

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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2015, 04:55:51 PM »
Quote from: z06psi on February 04, 2015, 04:47:30 PM
Still say its a lawsuit at this point.

That's what I'm thinking. Gonna look for a lawyer if this is not settled by the end of this week.
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2015, 05:28:54 PM »
Quote from: Scar16 on February 04, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
My own pcp doesn't even know anything about it. So my question is who the heck is making the evaluation and assessment?!

I believe a clerk gets the letter, looks up your record,
And if there's any flags like behavioral health, psychologist,  counseling, then the clerk sends a letter of denial to hpd.
Clerk may make a mistake and we who are trying to legally get a firearm, pay the price.
Many letters that are sent out to patients for whatever reason and have the providers name on it are sent out by a clerk and not the provider
Providers are so busy, that others do the paperwork that have the providers name on it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2015, 06:53:11 PM »
I wonder how this works.  The medical clerk shouldn't be looking at my records - she has no authority to. It's supposed to be the Chief of Police.
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2015, 07:02:20 PM »
I'd like to take a look at the waiver now.  Next time someone registers take a picture and post it up lol.

never mind. Here:

http://www.honolulupd.org/downloads/medicalinformation_HPD089R05_13.pdf

Like I thought, I follows the statute, which is only chief of police.
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2015, 09:08:27 PM »
Quote from: Funtimes on February 04, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
I'd like to take a look at the waiver now.  Next time someone registers take a picture and post it up lol.

never mind. Here:

http://www.honolulupd.org/downloads/medicalinformation_HPD089R05_13.pdf

Like I thought, I follows the statute, which is only chief of police.

Thanks good to know. I need to talk with Kaisers admin because there is obviously someone from there telling hpd false information
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2015, 10:22:36 AM »
So I go down to hpd this morning to get the letter for a doctor to sign off of. Here's what it states. Some crap if you ask me.
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Re: medical clearance flagged
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2015, 10:56:43 AM »
If it were me (and it could very well be in the near future), I would have Kaiser sign a letter stating

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Mr. Mauidog's Constitutional right to legally purchase a firearm was unintentionally denied due to a clerical error by Kaiser Hawaii. 

There is not now, nor has there ever been, any documented suspicion or treatment for any addiction, abuse, dependence, mental
disease, disorder or defect. 

This error was entirely ours, and we take full responsibility for any embarrassment or inconveniences this may have caused
Mr. Mauidog and the Honolulu Police Department.

If you have further questions, please contact Some Low-Level Paper-Pusher at Kaiser Hawaii.

I would hand that to HPD.  They would have no choice but to accept it.  It accomplishes the same thing as their form but without the implied existence of some condition that would disqualify someone from having firearms.

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