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HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS (Read 376188 times)

hnl.flyboy

HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #180 on: February 02, 2012, 03:25:40 AM »
I'm a Hawaii reservist that Uncle Sam called to active duty. I just got paid yesterday, and I've been checking the HDF site the past few days, but it's not working...

Does anyone know either when it'll be back up, or another place where I can make a donation to HDF?
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You can paypal the donation to treasurer@hawaiidefensefoundation.org

We are currently in the process of redoing the *entire* site.  So its underconstruction.
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Brady Center Urges Court To Throw Out Challenge To Hawaii Gun Law

Feb 13, 2012

Washington, DC -- The Brady Center filed a brief today in the U.S. District Court for the District of Hawaii urging the court to dismiss a challenge to Hawaii’s strong gun laws restricting the carrying of loaded guns in public.

“Hawaii’s strong gun laws protect families from the severe danger of loaded guns in public,” said Jonathan Lowy, Director of the Brady Center’s Legal Action Project.  “We urge the court to follow more than a dozen other courts around the nation in recognizing that there is no right to carry loaded guns in our streets, parks, and playgrounds.”

The lawsuit, Baker v. Kealoha, challenges Hawaii gun laws limiting public carrying of loaded guns to “exceptional case[ s ] ” because of the severe risks posed by guns in public.  The Brady Center’s brief urges the court to dismiss the lawsuit, citing legal rulings from around the nation that the Second Amendment is limited to a narrow right to possess guns in the home for self-defense and does not grant a right to carry loaded guns in public.

The Brady Center’s brief cites studies showing that guns in public expose all members of society to great risks, as guns are used far more often to kill and wound innocent victims than to kill and wound criminals, and guns are also used far more often to intimidate and threaten than they are used to thwart crimes.

The Brady Center’s brief also cites data showing that Hawaii’s strong gun laws have helped Hawaii achieve the lowest gun death rate in the nation, less than a third the national average.

The Brady Center is being represented by attorneys with the Brady Center’s Legal Action Project; Mark M. Murakami of Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert in Honolulu and; Jonathan Diesenhaus from Hogan Lovells in Washington, D.C.
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Brady Center Urges Court To Throw Out Challenge To Hawaii Gun Law

Feb 13, 2012

Washington, DC -- The Brady Center filed a brief today in the U.S. District Court for the District of Hawaii urging the court to dismiss a challenge to Hawaii’s strong gun laws restricting the carrying of loaded guns in public.

“Hawaii’s strong gun laws protect families from the severe danger of loaded guns in public,” said Jonathan Lowy, Director of the Brady Center’s Legal Action Project.  “We urge the court to follow more than a dozen other courts around the nation in recognizing that there is no right to carry loaded guns in our streets, parks, and playgrounds.”

The lawsuit, Baker v. Kealoha, challenges Hawaii gun laws limiting public carrying of loaded guns to “exceptional case[ s ] ” because of the severe risks posed by guns in public.  The Brady Center’s brief urges the court to dismiss the lawsuit, citing legal rulings from around the nation that the Second Amendment is limited to a narrow right to possess guns in the home for self-defense and does not grant a right to carry loaded guns in public.

The Brady Center’s brief cites studies showing that guns in public expose all members of society to great risks, as guns are used far more often to kill and wound innocent victims than to kill and wound criminals, and guns are also used far more often to intimidate and threaten than they are used to thwart crimes.

The Brady Center’s brief also cites data showing that Hawaii’s strong gun laws have helped Hawaii achieve the lowest gun death rate in the nation, less than a third the national average.

The Brady Center is being represented by attorneys with the Brady Center’s Legal Action Project; Mark M. Murakami of Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert in Honolulu and; Jonathan Diesenhaus from Hogan Lovells in Washington, D.C.


Shouldn't this be in the jokes thread?
Since when has it been recognized there is no right, Where do these idiots get their data?

I hope the court has some common sense.

DonRow

HONOLULU POLICE CHIEF AND STATE OF HAWAII SUED FOR SECOND AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS
« Reply #184 on: February 14, 2012, 06:26:10 AM »
Where do these idiots get their data?

Why from European country's of course.

God I hate the Brady bunch. Ok hates a strong word. I dislike them very much.

bass monkey

I like how they write in trying to influence the Hawaii court system to make a decision.

Cougar8045

Why from European country's of course.

God I hate the Brady bunch. Ok hates a strong word. I dislike them very much.
I hate 'em.
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hnl.flyboy

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/05/federal-judge-rules-maryland-gun-permit-law-unconstitutional/

Could this help our cause any? A federal judge set precedence in Maryland, but I don't know if this could somehow be used to our advantage in Mr. Baker's current lawsuit.
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hnl.flyboy

Just saw that there was already another thread on this -_-
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/05/federal-judge-rules-maryland-gun-permit-law-unconstitutional/

Could this help our cause any? A federal judge set precedence in Maryland, but I don't know if this could somehow be used to our advantage in Mr. Baker's current lawsuit.

Our Hawaii District Court follows case precedence from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. I think Maryland is part of the 4th Circuit. Courts may look to other Circuit decisions for direction if there is nothing to draw upon from its own Circuit but it is not bound by the decisions in another Circuit.

Cougar8045

I would assume that Hawaii will just pretend that the Maryland decision never even happened, until and unless it gets upheld by the Supreme Court.
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HiCarry

I would assume that Hawaii will just pretend that the Maryland decision never even happened, until and unless it gets upheld by the Supreme Court.
With Peruta and Nordyke "simmering" in California, a decision 180 degrees from the MD decision will create a "circuit split" which usually fast-tracks the case to SCOTUS......

Cougar8045

With Peruta and Nordyke "simmering" in California, a decision 180 degrees from the MD decision will create a "circuit split" which usually fast-tracks the case to SCOTUS......
Excellent point as usual, good sir.
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Suddenly got the e-mail from HRA/HDF today that the big trial is tomorrow. I would like to attend if possible. Is anyone else going to go? I have never been to a court trial before and that is one of my reasons for wanting to go. Do we just show up? Do we have to wear formal clothes or something? Are we just going to be those guys that sit in the back row and watch and don't do anything? Sorry for all the questions. Maybe other people are wondering the same things...

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The trial was relatively brief and is over. I could comment in full detail but I think I should leave that up to Funtimes or HiCarry.