Picked this Black Aces receiver up last week pretty cheap at a $100. These use modified Saiga 12 mags. It transfers as a title 1 receiver, meaning only a 4473 is required.

Built the gun with some Mosseberg 590A2 14" barrel, parts and a shockwave grip.

As its currently configured, it is NOT a handgun, long gun , shotgun , nor NFA. It is just consider by definition a "firearm" .

"Firearm."  Any pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches, any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches. The barrel length of a firearm shall be determined by measuring from the muzzle of the barrel to the face of the closed action, bolt or cylinder, whichever is applicable.

HRS does not define a "shotgun".
A shotgun by definition must have a stock and be designed to be fired from the shoulder. A  blank receiver and PGO type firearms never  had a stock; and regardless of the fact they they use shotshell as ammunition as stated in the ATF letter above.

Are you registering this in Hawaii?

yeap sooner or later

That's a nice looking firearm.

Be prepared to spend the day at HPD cause the boys in blue's minds are gonna be blown.

After this I can only guess that the HPD will lobby for a law that will cover this firearm - not because it has a history of being used in crimes but because it "looks" scary, evil, criminal. Forget about the time spent by a law-abiding citizen to read laws and build one to be legal under current laws.

After this I can only guess that the HPD will lobby for a law that will cover this firearm - not because it has a history of being used in crimes but because it "looks" scary, evil, criminal. Forget about the time spent by a law-abiding citizen to read laws and build one to be legal under current laws.

Seems as if HPD wants to go after legal law abiding citizens with legal firearms and try to twist things making them criminal. even when all the laws states its a LEGAL firearm by ALL laws.

when I retire in three years I wanna hire you to build me a few firearms.   

That will be cool!

I want suka to build me a shoulder fired cannon, complete with eye sight targeting like the Predator.

Let's see how HPD would respond to that one.

 

I'm a bit confused by the BATFE letter; they pretty much said your 'shotgun' would be considered an AOW. Are not AOWs listed as NFA weapons?

It is not an AOW (NFA) if its not conceled on a person , since ATF assumes any firearm over 26" is not readily concealable.

HRS does not define a "shotgun".
A shotgun by definition must have a stock and be designed to be fired from the shoulder. A  blank receiver and PGO type firearms never  had a stock; and regardless of the fact they they use shotshell as ammunition as stated in the ATF letter above.

Wouldn't a Mossberg Cruiser not be a shotgun then?

I.e a cruiser would be just considered a "firearm".

yes that is true!

an OAL of at least 26" is also required.
cruiser barrels less than 18" will not make the 26" without extending the pistol grip.

When are you going to register that? I wanna watch

haha,

showed it to a local PO here too. he immediately said that was illegal. then I showed him the ATF letter . He was shocked!    he even called the State Police firearms division to confirm it under State laws, it was completely legal. as State laws were identical to federal. Shotgun and rifles must have had a stock to be classified as such. otherwise it's just a "firearm".

Waiting too see what happens. Been over 5 days now, yikes!