i know that most of the people on this forum have an appreciation for the constitution. And i know no one condones or does anything illegal either.
With that said, i have a hypothetical question for you to ponder. With all the craziness, political correctness, BS laws current and future, constant attacks on our rights, first
and second especially. What would it take for you to stand and fight? What would make you say, enough's enough? What would cause the next revolution?
I don't have an answer, and i wonder what others might think.

Even when posed as a hypothetical, having a list of conditions which must be met before one "supports the overthrow of the government" might not be smart.

Just saying.

 

Foreign invasion.

Wolverines !

Except in Hawaii we might say Gongho !

i know that most of the people on this forum have an appreciation for the constitution. And i know no one condones or does anything illegal either.
With that said, i have a hypothetical question for you to ponder. With all the craziness, political correctness, BS laws current and future, constant attacks on our rights, first
and second especially. What would it take for you to stand and fight? What would make you say, enough's enough? What would cause the next revolution?
I don't have an answer, and i wonder what others might think.

gov't handout programs ending and the masses realizing the cannot survive without them

Foreign invasion.

Wolverines !

Except in Hawaii we might say Gongho !

pizza!

gov't handout programs ending and the masses realizing the cannot survive without them

There's a whole new question.
Fighting the angry, aggressive masses. Not revolution but self-preservation when you realize the government can't save you.
Think LA riots or Katrina on a long term bigger scale.
Glad I live in the neighborhood I live in.

Here we go twisting another post. 

Pizza!

Had another thought. What if a revolution has already begun, but it's going the other way? Started by socialists and like minded people, trying to destroy the foundation of our country. What would be their method of attack? Have they already begun?

Even when posed as a hypothetical, having a list of conditions which must be met before one "supports the overthrow of the government" might not be smart.

Just saying.

 

+1 

Had another thought. What if a revolution has already begun, but it's going the other way? Started by socialists and like minded people, trying to destroy the foundation of our country. What would be their method of attack? Have they already begun?

Already begun decades ago when the government promised "free ice cream" aka entitlement programs.  No one few questioned whether it was fiscally sound, they just wanted their free ice cream.

Look at Greece.  They just gave the finger to those willing to loan them money . . . are we far behind?

Nah!  Greece owes 280 billion to their creditors, the fed only owes around 18 trillion.  The US Dollar is the world's top reserve currency and required to buy oil (google petrodollar), not to mention that we have the most powerful military in the world . . . I'd say we are good to go as long as this status quo doesn't change.  But, it may change in October when the IMF decides to add the Yuan as a reserve currency.

Already begun decades ago when the government promised "free ice cream" aka entitlement programs.  No one few questioned whether it was fiscally sound, they just wanted their free ice cream.

Look at Greece.  They just gave the finger to those willing to loan them money . . . are we far behind?

Nah!  Greece owes 280 billion to their creditors, the fed only owes around 18 trillion.  The US Dollar is the world's top reserve currency and required to buy oil (google petrodollar), not to mention that we have the most powerful military in the world . . . I'd say we are good to go as long as this status quo doesn't change.  But, it may change in October when the IMF decides to add the Yuan as a reserve currency.

I love ice cream! +1 agree...

+1 

I agree with this. But if we are at the point of not being able to even speak hypothetically, doesn't that mean the opposition's already won?
That's kind of what it feels like to me.

I love ice cream! +1 agree...

Ice cream analogy take from http://www.freedomisknowledge.com/freeicecream.html

Text in full below:

Free Ice Cream

A simple lesson how socialism weaves its way into the fabric of a free society

When free people come to accept it's okay to live off the spoils of others, they don't care if new promises can't be paid for. They just want them and they want them now even at their own peril. - Webmaster
 

A teacher from Jennings, Florida, on the Georgia border wrote the most eye-opening civics lesson I had ever seen while recently teaching in an elementary school. It was the middle of 2008 when the presidential election was really heating up on television screens in American homes and children were showing an interest.

With permission, I decided to try the civic's lesson plan in my own classroom.

The concept was simple.

The class would hold an election for class president. This would help them to understand the process that was going on around them, hopefully reflecting what some parents might be saying at the dining room table.

To simplify the process they would choose their own nominees, no other class being involved. The nominees would discuss why they would like to run for office. From these classmates two would be selected, each making a campaign speech. Then the class would vote.

We discussed what kinds of characteristics the nominees should have such as honesty, character, and ability to get the job done that they promised to do. We got many nominations, and from those came two; Jamie and Olivia, who were finally picked to run for the mock office.

Each would make a speech giving their platforms and why they should be elected to represent the class. It was just like the American politics in the summer of 2008. The children had even been encouraged to discuss the class election at home, getting their parents to help select the best candidate.

The day of the election was at hand. The class seemed to have done a great job in their selections, excited about the vote. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. But I had never seen Olivia's mother, so I didn't know how she felt about the process.

The day arrived when Jamie and Olivia were to make their speeches.

Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Everyone applauded, as he sat down.

Now is was Olivia's turn to speak. Her speech was concise and short. She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you free ice cream." She then sat down.

The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want free ice cream.We want free ice cream!" they shouted.

Olivia surely would say more, but she realized quickly she didn't have to.

A class discussion followed.

"How did Olivia plan to pay for the ice cream?" She wasn't sure.

"Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it." She didn't know.

But the elementary class of children didn't care how the promise made was going to be kept. All they were thinking about was the free ice cream.

Soon Jamie was forgotten and Olivia won the election by a landslide.

One year later after the interesting classroom study into electing a leader within a democracy, I think about this as I listen to the new president of the United States.

Every time the presidential candidate had spoken, it was like the offering of free ice cream. In the end 52 percent of American voters had reacted just like those nine-year olds the summer before. In this case, and with adult voters, they wanted their gas tanks filled with free gas, their mortgages paid, and they didn't care how it was to happen. It was not unlike the discussions we had in the mock election about free ice cream.

The other 48 percent, who didn't vote for the new president, knew someone was going to have to buy the cow, take care of it, feed it every day, clean up its daily mess, milk it every morning and then deliver the milk to the place that made the ice cream, no one having to pay anything for all the work since the ice cream was going to be free once made, distributed, and consumed.

It is a stark reminder that no government can give anything to anyone for free unless it's been stolen from someone else first.

Thomas Jefferson, one of the founders of our democracy, had given a stern warning about this if ever the American voter was to act like a fourth grade class of children who simply wanted free ice cream and didn't care where it came from.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson

I agree with this. But if we are at the point of not being able to even speak hypothetically, doesn't that mean the opposition's already won?
That's kind of what it feels like to me.

As with all rights, you are free to exercise them (including free speech).  You are also free to experience the consequences and repercussions such exercising of your rights might precipitate!

There are specific phrases the government uses to classify people who are potential security concerns.  If you ever had a clearance or was interviewed as a reference for someone being investigated, you've seen these before:

Conditions that could raise a security concern and may be disqualifying include:

    (a) involvement in, support of, training to commit, or advocacy of any act of sabotage, espionage, treason, terrorism, or sedition against the United States of America;

    (b) association or sympathy with persons who are attempting to commit, or who are committing, any of the above acts;

    (c) association or sympathy with persons or organizations that advocate, threaten, or use force or violence, or use any other illegal or unconstitutional means, in an effort to:

        (1) overthrow or influence the government of the United States or any state or local government;

        (2) prevent Federal, state, or local government personnel from performing their official duties;

        (3) gain retribution for perceived wrongs caused by the Federal, state, or local government;

        (4) prevent others from exercising their rights under the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any state.

http://www.state.gov/m/ds/clearances/60321.htm#a

Now, put that in context with the "hypothetical" in the OP: 

What would it take for you to stand and fight?

What would make you say, enough's enough?

What would cause the next revolution?

What you feel and what you think is your business.  What you post to a publicaly accessible forum becomes everyone's business!!   

Ice cream analogy take from http://www.freedomisknowledge.com/freeicecream.html

Text in full below:

Free Ice Cream

A simple lesson how socialism weaves its way into the fabric of a free society

When free people come to accept it's okay to live off the spoils of others, they don't care if new promises can't be paid for. They just want them and they want them now even at their own peril. - Webmaster
 

A teacher from Jennings, Florida, on the Georgia border wrote the most eye-opening civics lesson I had ever seen while recently teaching in an elementary school. It was the middle of 2008 when the presidential election was really heating up on television screens in American homes and children were showing an interest.

With permission, I decided to try the civic's lesson plan in my own classroom.

The concept was simple.

The class would hold an election for class president. This would help them to understand the process that was going on around them, hopefully reflecting what some parents might be saying at the dining room table.

To simplify the process they would choose their own nominees, no other class being involved. The nominees would discuss why they would like to run for office. From these classmates two would be selected, each making a campaign speech. Then the class would vote.

We discussed what kinds of characteristics the nominees should have such as honesty, character, and ability to get the job done that they promised to do. We got many nominations, and from those came two; Jamie and Olivia, who were finally picked to run for the mock office.

Each would make a speech giving their platforms and why they should be elected to represent the class. It was just like the American politics in the summer of 2008. The children had even been encouraged to discuss the class election at home, getting their parents to help select the best candidate.

The day of the election was at hand. The class seemed to have done a great job in their selections, excited about the vote. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. But I had never seen Olivia's mother, so I didn't know how she felt about the process.

The day arrived when Jamie and Olivia were to make their speeches.

Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Everyone applauded, as he sat down.

Now is was Olivia's turn to speak. Her speech was concise and short. She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you free ice cream." She then sat down.

The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want free ice cream.We want free ice cream!" they shouted.

Olivia surely would say more, but she realized quickly she didn't have to.

A class discussion followed.

"How did Olivia plan to pay for the ice cream?" She wasn't sure.

"Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it." She didn't know.

But the elementary class of children didn't care how the promise made was going to be kept. All they were thinking about was the free ice cream.

Soon Jamie was forgotten and Olivia won the election by a landslide.

One year later after the interesting classroom study into electing a leader within a democracy, I think about this as I listen to the new president of the United States.

Every time the presidential candidate had spoken, it was like the offering of free ice cream. In the end 52 percent of American voters had reacted just like those nine-year olds the summer before. In this case, and with adult voters, they wanted their gas tanks filled with free gas, their mortgages paid, and they didn't care how it was to happen. It was not unlike the discussions we had in the mock election about free ice cream.

The other 48 percent, who didn't vote for the new president, knew someone was going to have to buy the cow, take care of it, feed it every day, clean up its daily mess, milk it every morning and then deliver the milk to the place that made the ice cream, no one having to pay anything for all the work since the ice cream was going to be free once made, distributed, and consumed.

It is a stark reminder that no government can give anything to anyone for free unless it's been stolen from someone else first.

Thomas Jefferson, one of the founders of our democracy, had given a stern warning about this if ever the American voter was to act like a fourth grade class of children who simply wanted free ice cream and didn't care where it came from.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson

Thanks for today's lesson. I had this very conversation with my 16yr old daughter today. She is attending a summer school class (participation in democracy). I'm glad she is stimulated by the subjects that they are covering in class. It gives me an opportunity  to have discussions with her on topics that matter.
Aloha K

 

What you feel and what you think is your business.  What you post to a publicaly accessible forum becomes everyone's business!!   
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Amen to that.   The climate now is as we say here "abunai".

If you are down on your luck and need $200 on your ebt card to buy some groceries then people call you a bum.

If you are a mega-profitable company soaking up billions in corporate welfare handouts then people roll out the red carpet, call you "sir" and pay to go to seminars so they can find out your magic secrets.


http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/high-on-the-hog-the-top-8-corporate-welfare-recipients.html/?a=viewall


The difference is the guy with the EBT guy can't afford to buy up radio and tv stations to tell the world how great he is and how lucky we should be to have him around.

i know that most of the people on this forum have an appreciation for the constitution. And i know no one condones or does anything illegal either.
With that said, i have a hypothetical question for you to ponder. With all the craziness, political correctness, BS laws current and future, constant attacks on our rights, first
and second especially. What would it take for you to stand and fight? What would make you say, enough's enough? What would cause the next revolution?
I don't have an answer, and i wonder what others might think.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that it encourages people to fantasize about war. There is no glory or honor in war, it's just a strange set of unproductive behaviors that people participate in when they are either brainwashed to support an oppressive regime, or have no alternative but to fight or die.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that it encourages people to fantasize about war. There is no glory or honor in war, it's just a strange set of unproductive behaviors that people participate in when they are either brainwashed to support an oppressive regime, or have no alternative but to fight or die.

On top of that, the Patriot Act gave the government some major leeway in circumventing the Constitution.  All they have to do is find an online comment you made they interpret to be in support of violence against the government or our elected officials.

I don't think anyone wants to fall down that hole for a "hypothetical".

Already begun decades ago when the government promised "free ice cream" aka entitlement programs.  No one few questioned whether it was fiscally sound, they just wanted their free ice cream.

“A government with the policy to rob Peter to pay Paul
can be assured of the support of Paul.”

George Bernard Shaw