Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class (Read 5200 times)

mauidog

Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class
« on: June 28, 2015, 01:33:10 PM »
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Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class
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Everyone seems to love it when I write about the guns and gear I encounter in my classes.  Last weekend I taught an extreme close quarters handgun shooting class at
FPF Training down in Virginia.  I had 18 students in the class.  Three of them had some fairly significant gun problems.  Here’s what I saw:

1) Short-barreled 1911s often have problems (especially if they have “Kimber” written on their slides).

2) Some guns do not work for some people.

3) Even high quality guns can break.

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/some-gun-problems-from-last-weekends-class
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xer 21

Re: Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2015, 02:44:22 PM »
2) Some guns do not work for some people.
haha, don't tell the fanboys that. 

There's always that one guy who thinks his Sig/Glock/HK/1911/CZ is perfect in every way, lol.

oldfart

Re: Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2015, 06:19:43 PM »
The author is right on the money with his observations.
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davek42

Re: Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2015, 11:56:32 AM »
Never heard of KIMBERs Being a problem,
 I sold 100's of them in my old store on the mainland. I have found that 90% of shooters can not shoot a 1911 well. It is a gun that take time to learn to shoot. Short barreled 1911 work well as long as you do not limp wrist them. That will cause the malfunction 99% of the time.  Also the 45 ACP is a great cartage but, to much power and recoil for some to handle.
davek42 

ren

Re: Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2015, 03:47:30 PM »
that's a small sample size with a lot of variables to consider.
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spanner1751

Re: Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2015, 12:06:44 AM »
Thanks for the link. Lots of good articles there :thumbsup:

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mauidog

Re: Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2015, 08:23:20 AM »
I've never had problems with any 1911 I've tried.  As a carry gun, it's a bit heavier than many other options, a second drawback considering its limited mag capacity. 

As for Kimbers, I see a wide spectrum of reports on them.  I was going to buy one as my first 1911 just because of the looks, the reputation, and people stating its the best 1911 in its price range off the assembly line.

Then I started seeing complaints that the new Kimbers are not the same quality as 10 years ago.  Shooters were having all kinds of problems with some mags now not working in them, apparent shortcuts in the manufacturing process or materials not as good as before, etc.

I went to a NC range, and there was a Kimber in the rental case that looked rather old.  The guy said it's had over i million rounds through it since they bought it in the 80s.  They've replaced a couple of springs, but the receiver, slide, barrel and other main components are still the originals!  Kimber reps have even contacted them wanting to buy it for marketing and displaying at gun events, but the owner preferred to keep it.  Had I not just finished my range session, I would have rented it just to see how it shoots.  That's the quality everyone expects from a Kimber, but lately I've been reading the standards just arn't the same now. 
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

oldfart

Re: Some Gun Problems from Last Weekend’s Class
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2015, 10:28:23 AM »
I've never had problems with any 1911 I've tried.  As a carry gun, it's a bit heavier than many other options, a second drawback considering its limited mag capacity

I went to a NC range, and there was a Kimber in the rental case that looked rather old.  The guy said it's had over i million rounds through it since they bought it in the 80s.  They've replaced a couple of springs, but the receiver, slide, barrel and other main components are still the originals!  Kimber reps have even contacted them wanting to buy it for marketing and displaying at gun events, but the owner preferred to keep it.  Had I not just finished my range session, I would have rented it just to see how it shoots.  That's the quality everyone expects from a Kimber, but lately I've been reading the standards just arn't the same now.
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I suppose it's possible to run a million reduced power loads through a good quality steel frame.
But a steady diet of full power ammo will peen the crap out of the frame, slide, and/or crack it.
 I have first hand knowledge on that.
The typical lifespan of a 1911 bbl with ball ammo is 10k rounds.
If they shot all ball ammo, that would consume somewhere around 100 barrels.
 That is how I figure they were shooting reduced power lead bullet reloads for the past 30 years.
Even then, 1 million is lofty claim.
 My extractor failed after 30k rounds. It's a common problem.
Ejectors fail frequently, as they take constant impact.
Bbl bushings fail as they take constant stress from the recoil spring.
Magazine feed lips crack. Weld seams crack. Baseplates crack.
All kind of fun stuff happens when you shoot a lot.
 :stopjack:
Re. Short bbl 1911's....the spring and physics required to contain the recoil of full powered 45acp is funky.
The whole timing of the action is different and difficult to tune, handle and maintain.
I know about this too. The little 1911 is a bitch to get right.
And btw, you get significant shinkage of power out of the little 45 too.
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