Quote from: Kingkeoni on September 20, 2011, 07:44:03 AM

Although I realize that there are people there that manipulate what is allowed by using high powered rifle rounds fired from a TC.

Dude, that is not manipulating the rules.  These guys compete with handguns at 200 yards.  There is a reason they use rifle cartridges!  It isn't to annoy you, and it isn't to prove a point.  It's to hit tiny targets placed far away under the stress of competition.

How often do you go there?

I saw one of the members shooting a .308 "pistol" there and purposely hitting the frames of the targets at 50 yards.
 
Every time he would hot the frame, it would fall down and he would laugh. He actually broke two of the targets and some of the other members there laughed with him.

There was no 200 yard competition going on and there was no stress in shooting a scoped .308 at 50 yards.

The honest truth is that pistol caliber carbines (9mm, .40S&W, .45acp, etc...) woild do considerably less damage to the metal targets than rifle caliber pistols.

When I talked to the RO after the fact, he said that it wasn't the club (HMSSA) that banned pistol caliber carbines. He said that "Kokohead" (powers that be) did not allow them. (He was real nice about it when he said it)

Quote from: Tom_G on September 21, 2011, 10:05:10 AM

Quote from: Kingkeoni on September 20, 2011, 07:44:03 AM

Although I realize that there are people there that manipulate what is allowed by using high powered rifle rounds fired from a TC.

Dude, that is not manipulating the rules.  These guys compete with handguns at 200 yards.  There is a reason they use rifle cartridges!  It isn't to annoy you, and it isn't to prove a point.  It's to hit tiny targets placed far away under the stress of competition.

How often do you go there?

I saw one of the members shooting a .308 "pistol" there and purposely hitting the frames of the targets at 50 yards.
 
Every time he would hot the frame, it would fall down and he would laugh. He actually broke two of the targets and some of the other members there laughed with him.

There was no 200 yard competition going on and there was no stress in shooting a scoped .308 at 50 yards.

The honest truth is that pistol caliber carbines (9mm, .40S&W, .45acp, etc...) woild do considerably less damage to the metal targets than rifle caliber pistols.

When I talked to the RO after the fact, he said that it wasn't the club (HMSSA) that banned pistol caliber carbines. He said that "Kokohead" (powers that be) did not allow them. (He was real nice about it when he said it)

How often do I go there?  Why?  Does that somehow change the validity of my point?

I've not been recently, but I was a bi-weekly visitor for about 3 years straight until last October.  Does that clear anything up?

And, as I've alluded to before, and will now explicitly state: the fact that there are people who violate the intention of the rules does not mean that the rules are invalid.  It just means that some people are assholes.

Rifle-caliber pistols are a commonly-used tool of metallic silhouette shooting.  As such, there's no reason they should not be allowed at a range which caters to metallic silhouette shooting.  Why is this such a difficult concept for people to wrap their heads around? 

.................And, as I've alluded to before, and will now explicitly state: the fact that there are people who violate the intention of the rules does not mean that the rules are invalid.  It just means that some people are assholes.

Rifle-caliber pistols are a commonly-used tool of metallic silhouette shooting.  As such, there's no reason they should not be allowed at a range which caters to metallic silhouette shooting.  Why is this such a difficult concept for people to wrap their heads around?

Tom the whole reason that pistols shooting .223 & .308 are being brought up is specifically because you cannot shoot a 9 mm carbine or 45 acp on the silhouette side.  That's the issue that everyone is having trouble figuring out. 

FWIW I do not think the guys shooting the single shot pistols as assholes, they are doing what is allowed.  It would be nice to know why shooting carbines with pistol rounds is not allowed...........it might be that the competitors are violating any intention of the rules. 

As stated earlier the beef is with the city not the silhouette club. FWIW The silhouette club is made up of a really great bunch of guys and gals. I have been shooting with different clubs during the past 3 decades. From this experience I can assure everyone that you will have a hard time finding a better bunch of people. Overall, they are very kind and generous. They will help you if you need it.

Do yourselves a favor and get into the silhouette sport. If you have the desire and the stones to shoot a hand cannon, do it. If small bore is your bag, then shoot the monthly small bore match. The last time I checked, for about $5 you will get to shoot the match and get a free hot dog or 2. I was an active member at the club some years ago and I enjoyed it mainly due to the overall quality of the club members along with the sport.   

Anyone going this weekend? Think I'm going to go try out my new scope on the Ruger 10/22. I am going to hit that bell. Yes, I am.

Anyone going this weekend? Think I'm going to go try out my new scope on the Ruger 10/22. I am going to hit that bell. Yes, I am.

Is it zeroed yet? I would start on the rifle, dial it in and then move to the whateverthatrangeiscalled.

As stated earlier the beef is with the city not the silhouette club. FWIW The silhouette club is made up of a really great bunch of guys and gals. I have been shooting with different clubs during the past 3 decades. From this experience I can assure everyone that you will have a hard time finding a better bunch of people. Overall, they are very kind and generous. They will help you if you need it.

Do yourselves a favor and get into the silhouette sport. If you have the desire and the stones to shoot a hand cannon, do it. If small bore is your bag, then shoot the monthly small bore match. The last time I checked, for about $5 you will get to shoot the match and get a free hot dog or 2. I was an active member at the club some years ago and I enjoyed it mainly due to the overall quality of the club members along with the sport.   

I took my little Ruger pistol to their last shoot and had a blast.  They really are helpful, generous people.  I wish I hadn't had to duck out early, but I'm checking here for the next one!

Quote from: astroboy on September 22, 2011, 03:24:04 PM

As stated earlier the beef is with the city not the silhouette club. FWIW The silhouette club is made up of a really great bunch of guys and gals. I have been shooting with different clubs during the past 3 decades. From this experience I can assure everyone that you will have a hard time finding a better bunch of people. Overall, they are very kind and generous. They will help you if you need it.

Do yourselves a favor and get into the silhouette sport. If you have the desire and the stones to shoot a hand cannon, do it. If small bore is your bag, then shoot the monthly small bore match. The last time I checked, for about $5 you will get to shoot the match and get a free hot dog or 2. I was an active member at the club some years ago and I enjoyed it mainly due to the overall quality of the club members along with the sport.   

I took my little Ruger pistol to their last shoot and had a blast.  They really are helpful, generous people.  I wish I hadn't had to duck out early, but I'm checking here for the next one!

Daughter opens her birthday present (ruger 10/22) tomorrow along with 500 rounds. I can see a range day on Sunday for sure.

Daughter opens her birthday present (ruger 10/22) tomorrow along with 500 rounds. I can see a range day on Sunday for sure.

Rock on!    My 10/22 was a birthday present when I was about her age.  I think I was 12 or 13.  She'll love it for sure; I'm glad you went with the Ruger.

Quote from: vooduchikn on September 22, 2011, 10:22:05 PM

Daughter opens her birthday present (ruger 10/22) tomorrow along with 500 rounds. I can see a range day on Sunday for sure.

Rock on!    My 10/22 was a birthday present when I was about her age.  I think I was 12 or 13.  She'll love it for sure; I'm glad you went with the Ruger.

Picked up the synthetic stock (lighter) version for 230 bucks. Had it out today and was checking it out before wrapping it up. Nice little rifle. I was tempted to put my an AR in the box for when the wife wrapped it (she opened it up to look at it) just to see the look on her face, but didn't want to get lazered. 

Quote from: Kingkeoni on September 22, 2011, 07:20:55 AM

Quote from: Tom_G on September 21, 2011, 10:05:10 AM

Quote from: Kingkeoni on September 20, 2011, 07:44:03 AM

Although I realize that there are people there that manipulate what is allowed by using high powered rifle rounds fired from a TC.

Dude, that is not manipulating the rules.  These guys compete with handguns at 200 yards.  There is a reason they use rifle cartridges!  It isn't to annoy you, and it isn't to prove a point.  It's to hit tiny targets placed far away under the stress of competition.

How often do you go there?

I saw one of the members shooting a .308 "pistol" there and purposely hitting the frames of the targets at 50 yards.
 
Every time he would hot the frame, it would fall down and he would laugh. He actually broke two of the targets and some of the other members there laughed with him.

There was no 200 yard competition going on and there was no stress in shooting a scoped .308 at 50 yards.

The honest truth is that pistol caliber carbines (9mm, .40S&W, .45acp, etc...) woild do considerably less damage to the metal targets than rifle caliber pistols.

When I talked to the RO after the fact, he said that it wasn't the club (HMSSA) that banned pistol caliber carbines. He said that "Kokohead" (powers that be) did not allow them. (He was real nice about it when he said it)

How often do I go there?  Why?  Does that somehow change the validity of my point?

I've not been recently, but I was a bi-weekly visitor for about 3 years straight until last October.  Does that clear anything up?

Yes it does.

If you haven't been there in the last 20 minutes then the validity of your point, your credibility and entire post is rendered null and void.

Quote from: antoinebugleboy on September 22, 2011, 03:38:57 PM

Anyone going this weekend? Think I'm going to go try out my new scope on the Ruger 10/22. I am going to hit that bell. Yes, I am.

Is it zeroed yet? I would start on the rifle, dial it in and then move to the whateverthatrangeiscalled.

I had the scope sighted for me at Sports Authority. I was hitting the 100-yard chicken with just the built-in sights, but I could not hit that damn bell to save my life. With the scope, I'll be able to see and correct my shots, so if the scope's not perfectly zeroed, that's OK. It's cheap glass, anyway. I'm not trying to get a headshot from two clicks away.

Anyone going this weekend? Think I'm going to go try out my new scope on the Ruger 10/22. I am going to hit that bell. Yes, I am.

You shooting Saturday or Sunday?

Quote from: antoinebugleboy on September 22, 2011, 03:38:57 PM

Anyone going this weekend? Think I'm going to go try out my new scope on the Ruger 10/22. I am going to hit that bell. Yes, I am.

You shooting Saturday or Sunday?

Probably Saturday, a bit later in the morning, but haven't firmly decided yet.

HHhhmmmm........I haven't decided if I want to shoot or not.  I might want to shoot my 1911, but I have to get some mags for the pistol.  Current mag I got with the gun is crap and damaged.

I plan to be out there also. I pick up a used 1911A1 NM 45.

^^^What kind of magazines do you run in your 1911?

Metalform, Shooting Star, and GI.
All are 7 or 8 round mags

^^^Thank you sir.  My order has been placed for some Chip McCormick's.

If you haven't been there in the last 20 minutes then the validity of your point, your credibility and entire post is rendered null and void.

I think, at this time, I am safe in referencing my previous position.