the spies among us (Read 3538 times)

hvybarrels

the spies among us
« on: July 31, 2015, 01:35:36 PM »
Some guy got popped for trying to buy military-grade night vision goggles. Born in North Korea, Cambodian passport, and lives in China. How many (literally) red flags do you need?


http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/29680094/man-accused-in-night-vision-goggles-case-will-go-to-utah
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

passivekinetic

Re: the spies among us
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2015, 11:33:19 AM »
Well, he has to first commit an actual crime.

I am reminded of Japanese internment.

Not all white people who own guns are KKK (just being sarcastic to make the point).
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oldfart

Re: the spies among us
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2015, 12:22:53 PM »
Taking the nvg back to China???
I wouldn't be surprised if that's where they came from.
What, Me Worry?

passivekinetic

Re: the spies among us
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2015, 12:27:10 PM »
Taking the nvg back to China???
I wouldn't be surprised if that's where they came from.

Nah these are USA made. Probably latest generation. We all know the earlier generation ones suck.
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

mauidog

Re: the spies among us
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2015, 02:46:37 PM »
Well, he has to first commit an actual crime.

I am reminded of Japanese internment.

Not all white people who own guns are KKK (just being sarcastic to make the point).

No, not really.  It all depends on how the laws are written.  Take a look at the ITAR:

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(4) To conspire to export, import, reexport, retransfer, furnish or cause to be exported, imported, reexported, retransferred or furnished, any defense article, technical data, or defense service for which a license or written approval is required by this subchapter; or

(5) To possess or attempt to possess any defense article with intent to export or transfer such defense article in violation of 22 U.S.C. 2778 and 2779, or any regulation, license, approval, or order issued thereunder.

So, no, you do not have to have completed the crime.  Conspiracy or attempting a crime is sufficient (intent).

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=86008bdffd1fb2e79cc5df41a180750a&node=22:1.0.1.13.64&rgn=div5
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passivekinetic

Re: the spies among us
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2015, 02:57:00 PM »
No, not really.  It all depends on how the laws are written.  Take a look at the ITAR:

So, no, you do not have to have completed the crime.  Conspiracy or attempting a crime is sufficient (intent).

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=86008bdffd1fb2e79cc5df41a180750a&node=22:1.0.1.13.64&rgn=div5

OK agreed but conspiring is already committing a crime.

What I mean is, don't discriminate the dude just based on him being from NK or China.

"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

mauidog

Re: the spies among us
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2015, 04:29:48 PM »
OK agreed but conspiring is already committing a crime.

What I mean is, don't discriminate the dude just based on him being from NK or China.

It's not that he's FROM HK or China.  It's that he's a foreign national:  "Born in North Korea, Cambodian passport, and lives in China".  If he was an American citizen of Korean decent residing in China, there would have been no reason to investigate him unless someone with suspicions about his intention to give the goggles to a foreign entity without seeking the proper US authorization reported him.

I fail to see where discrimination comes into this at all.  Are you saying his ethnicity was the reason he was investigated, and not his foreign citizenship?
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper