Race Baiting 101 (Read 19214 times)

hvybarrels

Race Baiting 101
« on: August 05, 2015, 09:04:32 PM »
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

mauidog

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2015, 09:34:23 PM »
One fact he breezed by: Blacks are more likely than Whites to be ... once again deprived of the right to vote.

There are only 11 states now which permanently revoke the right to vote for felons (Ethnicity notwithstanding).  Two states actually allow felons to vote WHILE INCARCERATED:  Maine and Vermont.

http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000286


And, where have I heard about class struggles before?  Oh, yeah ....

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the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto
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hvybarrels

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2015, 11:13:16 PM »
If there's no class war then who's paying for all the propaganda?


“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 02:24:31 AM »
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mauidog

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2015, 08:44:57 AM »
If there's no class war then who's paying for all the propaganda?




The advertisers and investors of the Media outlets.  They make money from death, destruction and controversy.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

eyeeatingfish

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2015, 10:42:14 AM »
Funny thing is that individuals are nearly completely able to prevent themselves from being arrested by simply not committing crimes. I think the biggest change needs to be done at the social level, not the police level or government level. The economic level would help some though.

It is so easy to make a video like this, mention a few facts and show a few emotional pictures and make an upsetting argument while leaving out context.


On the economic note, the video did bring up one question I have always had trouble reconciling. Jobs are lost because they have gone overseas and conservatives often talk about bringing these jobs back to America. I totally agree and often I will shell out bigger bucks for the products that are made in the USA. That being said though, conservatives are also usually for less regulation on the free market. However it is the free market that has allowed the jobs to be sent overseas. How can we be on the same side of those two issues when they seem to conflict?

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 03:55:16 PM »


I really liked that one, good call posting it here.

Inspector

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 05:32:24 PM »

I agree, this is one of the better vids.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Kuleana

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 06:22:07 PM »

On the economic note, the video did bring up one question I have always had trouble reconciling. Jobs are lost because they have gone overseas and conservatives often talk about bringing these jobs back to America. I totally agree and often I will shell out bigger bucks for the products that are made in the USA. That being said though, conservatives are also usually for less regulation on the free market. However it is the free market that has allowed the jobs to be sent overseas. How can we be on the same side of those two issues when they seem to conflict?

People must remember, pure capitalism is a situation where there is no government policies at all.  Hence, if free market forces causes domestic industries to collapse since they could not globally compete due to higher wages, product/service quality, etc., people should just accept the situation and look for other business opportunities that can afford some other comparative advantage, if possible.  When a nation decides to implement tariffs, foreign labor restrictions, or protectionist policies; that nation is no longer capitalistic, but socialistic in its approach to protect the workers in their borders.  Consequently, in light of this paradox, people should be very careful in their blind support of capitalism, since the loss of many of America's jobs to foreign nations is capitalism working PERFECTLY.  Whenever any politician talks of bringing jobs back to America, they are liars because they represent the wealthy business owners and especially their decisions to offshore American jobs.

ISN'T PURE CAPITALISM WONDERFUL FOR AMERICAN WORKERS?

Kuleana


For those who might be wondering, I'm not a die hard believer of any of the -isms due to their collective contradictions detrimental to a harmonious society.

mauidog

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 07:24:06 PM »
Jobs going overseas is not a policy decision by a party, nor an effect of capitalism. 

It's a global market now, and there are countries WITHOUT unions, WITHOUT minimum wage laws, and WITHOUT federal safety regulations.  it's almost impossible for a US manufacturer to compete with foreign companies on a price basis. 

The differentiator used to be the quality of US goods.  Now, most US goods contain foreign-made components, making the difference minimal.  One of the best made products are Apple computers.  Made in China.

NAFTA made US markets open to foreign goods, but US goods are still limited in foreign markets, partly due to pricing.  Hence the trade deficit.

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The Nation's international trade deficit in goods and services increased to $43.8 billion in June from $40.9 billion in May (revised), as exports decreased and imports increased. ( August 5, 2015)
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Kuleana

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2015, 07:47:42 PM »
Jobs going overseas is not a policy decision by a party, nor an effect of capitalism. 

I have to disagree.  If I own a company and I can make larger profits by utilizing cheap Chinese labor, pure capitalism theory dictates, I will follow the best interest of my stockholders and send my labor requirements to China to reap the highest profits I can.


It's a global market now, and there are countries WITHOUT unions, WITHOUT minimum wage laws, and WITHOUT federal safety regulations.  it's almost impossible for a US manufacturer to compete with foreign companies on a price basis. 

Its not capitalism's problem that the US can't compete in today's global market.  The fact there are nations without any government regulations at all is more evidence of their respective countries being true to the tenets of pure capitalism.


The differentiator used to be the quality of US goods.  Now, most US goods contain foreign-made components, making the difference minimal.  One of the best made products are Apple computers.  Made in China.

Capitalism at work.


NAFTA made US markets open to foreign goods, but US goods are still limited in foreign markets, partly due to pricing.  Hence the trade deficit.

Not the fault of pure capitalism.  All Americans need to realize that capitalism is a double-edged sword.  Just because tough times have fallen on American workers is not capitalism's fault.  Everyone needs to stop complaining and start developing industries that can lead to a comparative advantage so America can once again be a player on the World Market.  If that is not possible, then the nation may need to start looking at other economic ideologies...

Kuleana





mauidog

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2015, 08:03:43 PM »
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Its not capitalism's problem that the US can't compete in today's global market.

I never said capitalism was the reason the US can't compete globally.

The  US Government has mandated safety, labor, and taxation that drive up the costs of having businesses based on our soil.  Meanwhile we open our border to allow free trade with countries that do nothing close to what our government has done to improve workers' lives.

If the US used tariffs properly, we would raise tariffs on countries that do not support a policy of decent work environments and lower or remove the tariffs for those that do.  Want to sell in our market?  Implement similar policies for workers that we have in place.

The tariffs would offset the cheap prices some countries with poor labor conditions charge, and equalize the prices of goods coming from countries that do support improved workers' conditions.  Maybe then we could also compete again in our own US market with US workers!
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Kuleana

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2015, 08:22:05 PM »
I never said capitalism was the reason the US can't compete globally.

The  US Government has mandated safety, labor, and taxation that drive up the costs of having businesses based on our soil.  Meanwhile we open our border to allow free trade with countries that do nothing close to what our government has done to improve workers' lives.

If the US used tariffs properly, we would raise tariffs on countries that do not support a policy of decent work environments and lower or remove the tariffs for those that do.  Want to sell in our market?  Implement similar policies for workers that we have in place.

The tariffs would offset the cheap prices some countries with poor labor conditions charge, and equalize the prices of goods coming from countries that do support improved workers' conditions.  Maybe then we could also compete again in our own US market with US workers!

I agree with your line of thinking, but this is not currently possible because the US is a member of the WTO.  Even if not for the WTO, American consumers will loose because the higher production costs would just be past on to them.  Furthermore, even with tariffs creating comparative prices, there is no guarantee that the American consumers will want to buy domestic products.  For example, Toyota would still dominate the US Auto industry even if some of their cars were not built in America.

Kuleana

mauidog

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2015, 08:26:32 PM »
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there is no guarantee that the American consumers will want to buy domestic products.

There are no guarantees in business.  That's why it's called "taking a risk". 

If the business climate creates a fair and even playing field, there doesn't need to be any guarantees.  The market will take care of the rest.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Kuleana

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2015, 08:33:06 PM »
There are no guarantees in business.  That's why it's called "taking a risk". 

If the business climate creates a fair and even playing field, there doesn't need to be any guarantees.  The market will take care of the rest.

But this no guarantee situation is the way it is now.  The World Market has necessitated American businesses to follow their self-interest to offshore jobs to increase their profits.  Foreign countries followed their own self-interest as dictated by the World Market and made the conscious decision to compete with American products with their cheap labor.  It is just this time, the American workers, but not American businesses that have the short end of the stick.

Kuleana

mauidog

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2015, 08:37:34 PM »
But this no guarantee situation is the way it is now.  The World Market has necessitated American businesses to follow their self-interest to offshore jobs to increase their profits.  Foreign countries followed their own self-interest as dictated by the World Market and made the conscious decision to compete with American products with their cheap labor.  It is just this time, the American workers, but not American businesses that have the short end of the stick.

Kuleana


Well, that's close.  When the American worker is out of work, it creates a burden on our welfare system.

It also reduces the amount of income circulating within our economy.  Out-of-work Americans won't be able to afford as many American goods regardless of how cheaply they are produced using overseas labor.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Kuleana

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2015, 08:41:30 PM »
Well, that's close.  When the American worker is out of work, it creates a burden on our welfare system.

It also reduces the amount of income circulating within our economy.  Out-of-work Americans won't be able to afford as many American goods regardless of how cheaply they are produced using overseas labor.

100% Correct.

This is why the threat of a global economic slowdown, as seen by the current slide in the global stock markets, is happening at this moment.


Kuleana

eyeeatingfish

Re: Race Baiting 101
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2015, 09:24:24 PM »
It's a global market now, and there are countries WITHOUT unions, WITHOUT minimum wage laws, and WITHOUT federal safety regulations.  it's almost impossible for a US manufacturer to compete with foreign companies on a price basis.

This is certainly a factor but I think even if we got rid of taxes and regulations and unions and minimum wage laws the 3rd world nations would still be able to produce goods for significantly cheaper. Even with a reduced cost of doing business our cost of living would price us out of being competitive. I think we need to consider that the consumer is also to blame. We want more stuff than we need and we want it cheaper so we can buy more. Many people aren't willing to spend the big money on the better product. If you needed a new blender would you buy the $60-80 made in china one or would you buy the $400 made in USA one? When was the last time you ever bought American made shoes?

And if we got rid of all of those things we would have more dangerous working conditions, we would have companies polluting more or making more dangerous products, etc. Consequently a union ends up being part of a free system anyway. Lets not kid ourselves, some regulations are necessary.