http://khon2.com/2015/08/12/wide-cost-disparity-revealed-as-hawaii-law-enforcement-agencies-replace-guns/

Nowhere in the story do they mention that HPD could recoup $500,00.00 by selling the guns to law abiding citizens. Really poor journalism IMHO. HPD "decided to destroy them, which HPD says comes with no added cost." How is that possible?

Safety concerns about selling them, even back to officers ?

 

Safety concerns about selling them, even back to officers ?

 

because only the govt. can have guns

A little off topic, but does anyone know what model Sigs they are going with?

Also I call BS on only one manufacturer bidding to sell pistols.  Seems like the right people were not contacted.

A little off topic, but does anyone know what model Sigs they are going with?

Also I call BS on only one manufacturer bidding to sell pistols.  Seems like the right people were not contacted.

I think Sheriff's department is moving to the Sig P226, an acquaintance of mine is a sheriff and I recall him being fairly giddy a few months back when they were told about the change.

 ...  Short rant...
All the excuses for dumping the sw are bs.
The cops rarely ever shoot them so they don't wear out. I have a mini version that I've been shooting for 20 years. I also had an older version before that.
Nothing EVER broke on either gun.
They are made of stainless steel so they don't even show holster wear.
They got all the spare parts they need because they have around 200 nib guns sitting around.
Furthermore, what conceivable reason do they have for NOT letting officers buy them? Hmmmm?

The bs is so thick you could build a bridge to Maui with it....and have some leftover.

...end rant...

...  Short rant...
All the excuses for dumping the sw are bs.
The cops rarely ever shoot them so they don't wear out. I have a mini version that I've been shooting for 20 years. I also had an older version before that.
Nothing EVER broke on either gun.
They are made of stainless steel so they don't even show holster wear.
They got all the spare parts they need because they have around 200 nib guns sitting around.
Furthermore, what conceivable reason do they have for NOT letting officers buy them? Hmmmm?

The bs is so thick you could build a bridge to Maui with it....and have some leftover.

...end rant...

The only good reason for dumping them is to let US buy them for quarters on the dollar ;-)

I think Sheriff's department is moving to the Sig P226, an acquaintance of mine is a sheriff and I recall him being fairly giddy a few months back when they were told about the change.

Nice platform.  I was worried they might be going to a newer Sig platform.  The way Sig has been bringing their new offerings to market is pretty terrible.

...  Short rant...
All the excuses for dumping the sw are bs.
The cops rarely ever shoot them so they don't wear out. I have a mini version that I've been shooting for 20 years. I also had an older version before that.
Nothing EVER broke on either gun.
They are made of stainless steel so they don't even show holster wear.
They got all the spare parts they need because they have around 200 nib guns sitting around.
Furthermore, what conceivable reason do they have for NOT letting officers buy them? Hmmmm?

The bs is so thick you could build a bridge to Maui with it....and have some leftover.

...end rant...

Why they are changing out who know, but as far as maintenance I have to feel the Glocks are much cheaper and less time consuming to maintain. 

No cost to destroy 2,300 guns ?

Someone post me a picture for   Kealoha & Caldwell's  "Fast and Furious" ! 

I believe that Department of Public Safety  is going with the SIG 320 polymer pistols.

...  Short rant...
All the excuses for dumping the sw are bs.
The cops rarely ever shoot them so they don't wear out. I have a mini version that I've been shooting for 20 years. I also had an older version before that.
Nothing EVER broke on either gun.
They are made of stainless steel so they don't even show holster wear.
They got all the spare parts they need because they have around 200 nib guns sitting around.
Furthermore, what conceivable reason do they have for NOT letting officers buy them? Hmmmm?

The bs is so thick you could build a bridge to Maui with it....and have some leftover.

...end rant...

I wish they would build a race track with that BS

I believe that Department of Public Safety  is going with the SIG 320 polymer pistols.

I'd rather have the P226.  I worry about how Sig releases stuff now.  Their new product quality really sucks.

A little off topic, but does anyone know what model Sigs they are going with?

Also I call BS on only one manufacturer bidding to sell pistols.  Seems like the right people were not contacted.

C&C received (1) bid for this purchase on 10/3/13, Qty 2000ea Gen4 17's @ $409ea
The same vendor also bid on (2) purchases earlier that year, one for Qty 100ea, and another for Qty 60ea, both awarded @ $409ea
There were other bidders on the earlier 2 solicitations, all substantially higher than $409ea
My guess is that other vendors didn't want to throw their hat in the ring to meet or beat $409ea

C&C received (1) bid for this purchase on 10/3/13, Qty 2000ea Gen4 17's @ $409ea
The same vendor also bid on (2) purchases earlier that year, one for Qty 100ea, and another for Qty 60ea, both awarded @ $409ea
There were other bidders on the earlier 2 solicitations, all substantially higher than $409ea
My guess is that other vendors didn't want to throw their hat in the ring to meet or beat $409ea

But how does the bid go out/announced?

Local vendors, straight to dealers, to the manufacturers themselves?

Well a blue label discounted G17 is like $425 so they're definitely getting a bulk discount.

But how does the bid go out/announced?

Local vendors, straight to dealers, to the manufacturers themselves?

http://www4.honolulu.gov/bfspurchasingbids/main/vueOpenBids.asp?sType=G

up to $100k bids are located on their VSS system, anything over $100k is located above. Vendors - both local and nationwide are asked for budgetary quotes before the actual solicitation is posted, and are given heads up's as to approx. bid release dates.
The reason for the large disparity is that Sig took the old firearms as a "trade" credit - or the state wrote in the spec's that the new vendor MUST allow for trade credit. State bid results are a bit harder to look up.
Honolulu county rarely if ever requires trade in consideration in their bid specifications - I don't know if it is their policy or if the department asks for it - but it doesn't make it into the final published spec.
You will see that a lot in Maui county specs...we are purchasing (5) new widgets, you must take these (5) old widgets and you will offer $X.XX as a trade credit, etc...

Like I mentioned before it's up to how the requisition for purchase or bid is written.  When I worked for a contractor for a state agency, it's all in the little details.  Most prospective bidders will live up to their contracts in hopes for more large exclusive contracts in the decades to come.

Now for the underworld of things, who's to say a prospective bidder doesn't manipulate how the federal/state/county department head will write the requisition for purchase/bid with "gifts"....

Couldn't they still hock the old ones ?

OGC, SEC, Bud's Guns, whoever in a bulk sale.

Offer the officers a chance to buy them back (then sell them to us permit approved law abiding citizens)

Couldn't they still hock the old ones ?

OGC, SEC, Bud's Guns, whoever in a bulk sale.

Offer the officers a chance to buy them back (then sell them to us permit approved law abiding citizens)

think of the children!