Saw a news article on Drudge Report this morning that was pretty crazy.  A bunch of black and hispanic youths were running around the suburbs looking for some white kid who allegedly beat up a black kid a few hours earlier.

    LaVelle, 5 feet 10, 220 pounds, a well-known sports-league organizer and coach in the community, went outside to try to calm the angry mob.    They were standing on his steps. One shouted, " 'Something's going to happen now!' " LaVelle recalled in an interview Friday
     at his house. LaVelle got nervous and went back inside, locking his door with a deadbolt.

     But the attackers pounded on his front windows and kicked his wooden door so hard, it flew open and some of them entered his house.
     "The first guy hits me with a pipe. The second guy knocks me in the face. All I'm hearing is my wife and kids screaming," said LaVelle, who feared that the next time they saw him, he would be in a casket.

     He said that he was able to push the attackers out the door, but then a third man - who had a gun - tried to extend his arm. LaVelle grabbed onto the gunman's lower arm and shoulder so he couldn't raise the weapon. Then, police sirens screamed in the neighborhood,
     and the mob turned and ran.

People act like I'm some kind of neo-Nazi loon when I say that ARs, AKs, and 30-round magazines do have a legitimate self-defense purpose.  That drives me up the walls, man.  This is exactly the shit I'm talking about when I say a guy would be smart to have something a little more potent than a .45 with an AWB-compliant magazine.  It happens, maybe not often, but it does happen.  The Brady Bunch apparently don't read the G-D newspapers.  "Assault clips serve only to allow a shooter to kill more people quickly."  Well, don't let the cat out of the bag, but yes, that is one of the many advantages, but let's take the Gun Grabbers' spin off of it for a second.  "Standard capacity magazines serve to allow a shooter to engage multiple targets quickly, magnifying the deterrent effect of the rifle or pistol, especially when confronted by a mob of adolescent feral animals."  The article describes the mob as numbering in the dozens.  You're going to need a whole bunch of VPC-appeasing magazines to deal with that scenario. 

Luckily the police arrived just in the nick of time, but that was only by the grace of God.  Glad him and his family are ok.

Geez man I thought it was a mob on Lanai.

Geez man I thought it was a mob on Lanai.

Haha, I debated using "porch" since it's more familiar to me, but didn't want to sound like more of a haole than I normally do.  lol

The comments following the story make me sad. It's like a bunch of jerks finally found an excuse to vent their racist hate.

The comments following the story make me sad. It's like a bunch of jerks finally found an excuse to vent their racist hate.

You mean the racist jerks venting their hate on a white guy at his house?  Or the ones pointing out that the story didn't get mentioned for over two weeks?  They're right, you know.  If a white mob had attacked a black man in his home, shouting, "We got you, n***er!" it would be national news.  But that's a commentary on media bias, not racism.

Quote from: antoinebugleboy on September 27, 2011, 10:32:17 AM

The comments following the story make me sad. It's like a bunch of jerks finally found an excuse to vent their racist hate.

You mean the racist jerks venting their hate on a white guy at his house?  Or the ones pointing out that the story didn't get mentioned for over two weeks?  They're right, you know.  If a white mob had attacked a black man in his home, shouting, "We got you, n***er!" it would be national news.  But that's a commentary on media bias, not racism.

Keep reading. Aside from the ambivalent white rage, there's some obvious racist hatred getting its release.

This can happen anywhere. Be ready!

Quote from: Cougar8045 on September 27, 2011, 10:47:52 AM

Quote from: antoinebugleboy on September 27, 2011, 10:32:17 AM

The comments following the story make me sad. It's like a bunch of jerks finally found an excuse to vent their racist hate.

You mean the racist jerks venting their hate on a white guy at his house?  Or the ones pointing out that the story didn't get mentioned for over two weeks?  They're right, you know.  If a white mob had attacked a black man in his home, shouting, "We got you, n***er!" it would be national news.  But that's a commentary on media bias, not racism.

Keep reading. Aside from the ambivalent white rage, there's some obvious racist hatred getting its release.

Yeah, there was some on the second page of comments; didn't read that far before replying.  Mea culpa.  At any rate, Voodu's right, this could happen anywhere.  If you'll excuse me, I'll be heading over to the 2aHawaii classifieds to peruse the evil black battle rifle section... 

I think this guy may have done what he thought best. Good that he sent his family upstairs and teenager upstairs. What would have happened if the mob would have overtaken him.  The BG had intent and ability. The man was outmatched and in his own home.

Armchair Quarterback time.

1. Don't go backout side.
2. Send family upstairs- ARMED and have your wife call LEO and describe sitiuation, request help, notify them that you are armed in your home and describe what you are wearing.
3. Immediately Arm yourself with multiple weaopons/back ups as quickly as possible.
4. Wait for BGs to bust in
5. Shoot to stop whatever comes through the door.

If they ran from the cops, they will run from bullets.

6. Move the hell outta that shitty neighbor hood you are living in.

that mob would've had some serious trouble getting to me with my saiga12 and 20 round drum and slugs for some extra "git out!" power

I think this is the situation where a shotgun may be just about perfect. If people are going to come through that door, they are all going to get peppered.

Did anyone hear about the flash mobs. Not the ones where people dance in a public area, but where people (or gangs) organize a mass crime. Pretty scary stuff. This reminded me of that.

ETA. Oh, wait this was in Philly. IIRC, that's where the flash mobs were concentrated.

I agree; a soon as they get the door open, deadly force is authorized. Center mass, center mass, center mass, with the most effective long gun you've got.

Geez man I thought it was a mob on Lanai.

hahahahahaha...same here  

I agree; a soon as they get the door open, deadly force is authorized. Center mass, center mass, center mass, with the most effective long gun you've got.

Looking back, I think he took the best course of action.  Had he shot 1,2, or even 10 of the people barging into his house, his family would likely not have survived the next mob that showed up at his doorstep.    He would have kicked off the next Philly Riots.

Quote from: Cougar8045 on September 27, 2011, 04:35:56 PM

I agree; a soon as they get the door open, deadly force is authorized. Center mass, center mass, center mass, with the most effective long gun you've got.

Looking back, I think he took the best course of action.  Had he shot 1,2, or even 10 of the people barging into his house, his family would likely not have survived the next mob that showed up at his doorstep.    He would have kicked off the next Philly Riots.

Very good point. Ultimately, the goal is the survive, not to mete out hot justice.

Quote from: nf9648 on September 27, 2011, 05:17:25 PM

Quote from: Cougar8045 on September 27, 2011, 04:35:56 PM

I agree; a soon as they get the door open, deadly force is authorized. Center mass, center mass, center mass, with the most effective long gun you've got.

Looking back, I think he took the best course of action.  Had he shot 1,2, or even 10 of the people barging into his house, his family would likely not have survived the next mob that showed up at his doorstep.    He would have kicked off the next Philly Riots.

Very good point. Ultimately, the goal is the survive, not to mete out hot justice.

Absolutely, the goal is not vengeance or vigilante justice; and he may very well have started a race war.  But, as you state, the goal is to survive; which, had the police been 30 seconds or a minute farther away, may not have happened.  He had already been punched in the face, hit with a pipe, and a third bad guy was presenting a gun.  If he had a gun in the house, he was wrong to not use it.  Deal with "the next mob" once you've survived the first.  Go on vacation, send the wife and kids upstate, check yourself into the nearest crowbar hotel, whatever, but survive this encounter before you start worrying about the potential blowback from the community.  Unless he had the gift of precognitive recognition, a la Minority Report, and knew the crowd would disperse at the first sound of sirens, he was trusting his fate to the angels.  Which is all well and good, but not when you've got a wife and two babies upstairs. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware that I'm making these comments from my comfy spot in the Quarterback Armchair, and I'm not saying I'd have done better.  But with hindsight being 20/20, I think the right answer would have been to greet the mob with deadly force.  If they scattered at the sound of a siren, they probably would have hauled ass at the sight of a 12 gauge or 5.56mm muzzle.  If so, all's well.  Race war averted, everyone's a winner.  If not, he can defend himself and the occupants of his house.

Quote from: antoinebugleboy on September 27, 2011, 07:16:14 PM

Quote from: nf9648 on September 27, 2011, 05:17:25 PM

Quote from: Cougar8045 on September 27, 2011, 04:35:56 PM

I agree; a soon as they get the door open, deadly force is authorized. Center mass, center mass, center mass, with the most effective long gun you've got.

Looking back, I think he took the best course of action.  Had he shot 1,2, or even 10 of the people barging into his house, his family would likely not have survived the next mob that showed up at his doorstep.    He would have kicked off the next Philly Riots.

Very good point. Ultimately, the goal is the survive, not to mete out hot justice.

Absolutely, the goal is not vengeance or vigilante justice; and he may very well have started a race war.  But, as you state, the goal is to survive; which, had the police been 30 seconds or a minute farther away, may not have happened.  He had already been punched in the face, hit with a pipe, and a third bad guy was presenting a gun.  If he had a gun in the house, he was wrong to not use it.  Deal with "the next mob" once you've survived the first.  Go on vacation, send the wife and kids upstate, check yourself into the nearest crowbar hotel, whatever, but survive this encounter before you start worrying about the potential blowback from the community.  Unless he had the gift of precognitive recognition, a la Minority Report, and knew the crowd would disperse at the first sound of sirens, he was trusting his fate to the angels.  Which is all well and good, but not when you've got a wife and two babies upstairs. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware that I'm making these comments from my comfy spot in the Quarterback Armchair, and I'm not saying I'd have done better.  But with hindsight being 20/20, I think the right answer would have been to greet the mob with deadly force.  If they scattered at the sound of a siren, they probably would have hauled ass at the sight of a 12 gauge or 5.56mm muzzle.  If so, all's well.  Race war averted, everyone's a winner.  If not, he can defend himself and the occupants of his house.

What bothers me is that this group was running wild in a neighborhood unchecked.  Pipes, guns? Sounds like intent rather than a group that was concerned or even angry about what two teens had done. I wonder how they all got organized so fast....FB?

What bothers me is that this group was running wild in a neighborhood unchecked.  Pipes, guns? Sounds like intent rather than a group that was concerned or even angry about what two teens had done. I wonder how they all got organized so fast....FB?

True story.  Maybe they took a page out of Londoners' playbook and used BlackBerry Messenger? 

Quote from: vooduchikn on September 27, 2011, 09:25:35 PM

What bothers me is that this group was running wild in a neighborhood unchecked.  Pipes, guns? Sounds like intent rather than a group that was concerned or even angry about what two teens had done. I wonder how they all got organized so fast....FB?

True story.  Maybe they took a page out of Londoners' playbook and used BlackBerry Messenger?

I don't care if they are coordinating via encrypted radios..

Let that mob show up at my place with the same intent....just sayin.

Quote from: Cougar8045 on September 27, 2011, 09:35:39 PM

Quote from: vooduchikn on September 27, 2011, 09:25:35 PM

What bothers me is that this group was running wild in a neighborhood unchecked.  Pipes, guns? Sounds like intent rather than a group that was concerned or even angry about what two teens had done. I wonder how they all got organized so fast....FB?

True story.  Maybe they took a page out of Londoners' playbook and used BlackBerry Messenger?

I don't care if they are coordinating via encrypted radios..

Let that mob show up at my place with the same intent....just sayin.

Right with ya, although not as well equipped...