Driving at posted speed limit? (Read 14975 times)

aieahound

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2015, 02:32:45 PM »
One of my favorite bumper stickers:

Slow down, this ain't the Mainland.

Drive through Waimanalo or the West Side and people completely stop with no traffic ahead to let their neighbor or friend pull out for a left turn.
People still let you in when you turn on your blinker.
I think it's unique and cool.

Mainland different story though.
I had to teach my brother-in-law about the passing lane concept.
People get pissed. And a lot of people in Hawaii have no concept of this.

Basically I doo-be-doo-be-do in the right side lanes unless tutu or grandpa is in front of me.
People Driving 35 on the open no-traffic freeway still drives me nuts.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2015, 02:38:42 PM by aieahound »

eyeeatingfish

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2015, 08:03:13 PM »
My friend came back from California after going to college and thought Hawaii driver's were terrible. Are they just more impatient there or do they as a culture not know how to handle frustration because it seems like they have more road rage incidents. Probably not that accurate but at least Honolulu isn't in theta 25!

http://www.infoplease.com/world/transportation/us-cities-worst-road-rage.html

robtmc

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2015, 08:23:37 PM »
My friend came back from California after going to college and thought Hawaii driver's were terrible.
After moving here and driving here on and off for 20+ years, the only thing I ever noticed about local drivers was a certain lethargic nature.  Mostly, far more courteous and likely to open a space in traffic to let you move over or merge.

California, where I spent far too many decades, it was always "f*ck you, me first!"  You learned not to let too much space open in front of you on the freeway, lest half a dozen cars wedge into the space.  Even had a CHP officer admit in traffic school that the old rule about speed and safe spacing meant you would be going backwards before long the way everyone jumped into a gap. 

It could be hilarious, if you were dumb enough to put your turn indicator on for a lane change, to watch the turkey in the next lane speed up to close to gap and block you out.  In Hawaii, they slow down to make it clear you are safe to move over.

You learned about BMW and MB drivers early on there.  Here, they are just other drivers, not entitled @ssholes.  Again, sluggish, maybe, bad manners, no.  And I did spend four years commuting in Honolulu, hating every minute of it, so I know the worst of it.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2015, 08:29:07 PM by robtmc »

bass monkey

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2015, 08:47:50 PM »
What irritates me is when people drive the same speed in every lane, or change lanes but don't pass the car in front of them and drive the same speed as them, making even more traffic.  If they want to drive the same speed then stay behind them.  It just slows the flow of traffic, and then drivers cut across 2/3/4 lanes to go around the slow cars.

Inspector

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2015, 08:51:36 PM »
After moving here and driving here on and off for 20+ years, the only thing I ever noticed about local drivers was a certain lethargic nature.  Mostly, far more courteous and likely to open a space in traffic to let you move over or merge.

California, where I spent far too many decades, it was always "f*ck you, me first!"  You learned not to let too much space open in front of you on the freeway, lest half a dozen cars wedge into the space.  Even had a CHP officer admit in traffic school that the old rule about speed and safe spacing meant you would be going backwards before long the way everyone jumped into a gap. 

It could be hilarious, if you were dumb enough to put your turn indicator on for a lane change, to watch the turkey in the next lane speed up to close to gap and block you out.  In Hawaii, they slow down to make it clear you are safe to move over.

You learned about BMW and MB drivers early on there.  Here, they are just other drivers, not entitled @ssholes.  Again, sluggish, maybe, bad manners, no.  And I did spend four years commuting in Honolulu, hating every minute of it, so I know the worst of it.
You nailed it to a tee. I lived in SoCal for 50 years. And 8 years here. I am currently making the grind from Kapolei to Ala Moana every day. In SoCal I was one of those entitled assholes. Now I drive with Aloha. I let in any one and every one who uses their signals ahead of me. If I'm late for work I don't care. When I get to work/home after the grind I find I am less stressed.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Sodie

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2015, 09:26:48 PM »
Quote from: Official Hawaii Driver's Manual

When moving slower than other traffic you should drive in the extreme right lane.
...
CHOOSING A PROPER TRAFFIC LANE 

Two Lanes in the Direction of Travel. In open area when traffic is free-flowing, use the right lane; use the left lane for passing or when vehicles are entering from the right. In heavy traffic or in congested areas use either lane but keep up with traffic.
...
Three or More Lanes in the Direction of Travel. Choose the center lanes as there will be less traffic conflicts. Leave the right and left lanes available for vehicles entering and leaving the roadway. Maintain a steady speed with the flow of traffic and keep lane changes to a minimum. Use the right lane if you are moving slower than other traffic.
 (Emphasis added.)

In some states, it's the law and you can get ticketed for cruising in the left lane.  I think it would solve SOME of our traffic problems (and alleviate A LOT of my frustration) if people followed those suggestions.

Also note the "maintain a steady speed" wording.  I use my cruise control at pretty much every opportunity, and without fail I see drivers that can't pick a speed and stick with it...  speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down...  oh, a hill?  Slow WAY down (doesn't matter if it's uphill or downhill; folks around here slow down either way).

suka

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2015, 09:38:28 PM »
I normally maintain a set RPM when i'm driving on the freeway. Its normally 1500-1800 RPM to get the maximum fuel range.
Going up Red Hill from the stadium, my speed is  around 25mph but I'm always in the right lane. Most people gun it up the hill revving their engines up to 4000 rpm i presume.
We get to the Vineyard Blvd nearly the same time.

This is the same way to fly an airplane, The airspeed will vary heavily on winds, and the only guaranteed performance is the set engine power.

PeaShooter

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2015, 10:21:47 PM »
I don't think using a set engine RPM going up and down hills is the way to go, either for maintaining constant speed or for fuel efficiency. When you go up the hill you should be gunning it, as it's not efficient to linger and struggle in conditions which are not optimal. It's like riding a bicycle, when you go up hills you use a lower gear, right? Cars use gears too, and so other drivers might sound like they are revving their engine cycles but they are probably in a lower gear than you, and thus not eating as much fuel as it sounds, either. If you end up arriving at the destination at the same time, that suggests the other drivers let off their engine and cruise downhill. Just my thoughts; I'm far from being a good driver.

My friend came back from California after going to college and thought Hawaii driver's were terrible. Are they just more impatient there or do they as a culture not know how to handle frustration because it seems like they have more road rage incidents. Probably not that accurate but at least Honolulu isn't in theta 25!

http://www.infoplease.com/world/transportation/us-cities-worst-road-rage.html
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=16382.0

I've experienced roughly as much road rage in Hawaii as in California. As others said, Hawaii drivers merely have a lethargic nature while those in California have a fast and selfish nature. Different styles of unwritten rules of driver courtesy. But there are roughly as many people who ignore the rules in both states, in my opinion.

Your list never surveyed Hawaii. It's not that they didn't make the top 25 worst. It says they only surveyed 25 cities, which spanned from the worst to the best.

Sodie

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2015, 10:35:09 PM »
I normally maintain a set RPM when i'm driving on the freeway. Its normally 1500-1800 RPM to get the maximum fuel range.
Going up Red Hill from the stadium, my speed is  around 25mph but I'm always in the right lane. Most people gun it up the hill revving their engines up to 4000 rpm i presume.
We get to the Vineyard Blvd nearly the same time.

This is the same way to fly an airplane, The airspeed will vary heavily on winds, and the only guaranteed performance is the set engine power.

Not entirely true.  The GROUNDSPEED will vary greatly depending on winds, but not your airspeed.  In general, at a constant altitude if you set the power and leave it, you'll slowly (very slowly) accelerate as the airplane gets lighter (burning fuel) and therefore has to produce less lift.  Alternatively, if you don't need to maintain a constant altitude, setting the power and leaving it will result in a slow climb, which is how you get maximum efficiency out of a jet.

And, yes...  If you're going 25 on the H-201, PLEASE stay in the right lane.   :D :shaka:

mauidog

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2015, 10:59:50 PM »
Not entirely true.  The GROUNDSPEED will vary greatly depending on winds, but not your airspeed.  In general, at a constant altitude if you set the power and leave it, you'll slowly (very slowly) accelerate as the airplane gets lighter (burning fuel) and therefore has to produce less lift.  Alternatively, if you don't need to maintain a constant altitude, setting the power and leaving it will result in a slow climb, which is how you get maximum efficiency out of a jet.

And, yes...  If you're going 25 on the H-201, PLEASE stay in the right lane.   :D :shaka:

I bought a 6-cylinder so I CAN accelerate up Red Hill (and any other hill)!  Fuel efficiency is all fine when shopping, but driving is an individual behavior. 

Your vehicle might be at optimal RPMs going up a hill at 25, but what if my vehicle is optimal at 35 ... AND YOU'RE IN FRONT OF ME!??   :shake:
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

eyeeatingfish

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2015, 11:39:27 PM »
I bought a 6-cylinder so I CAN accelerate up Red Hill (and any other hill)!  Fuel efficiency is all fine when shopping, but driving is an individual behavior. 

Your vehicle might be at optimal RPMs going up a hill at 25, but what if my vehicle is optimal at 35 ... AND YOU'RE IN FRONT OF ME!??   :shake:

You can actually be cited for driving under the speed limit as well, especially if it is creating traffic problems.

edster48

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2015, 05:36:48 AM »
I normally maintain a set RPM when i'm driving on the freeway. Its normally 1500-1800 RPM to get the maximum fuel range.
Going up Red Hill from the stadium, my speed is  around 25mph but I'm always in the right lane. Most people gun it up the hill revving their engines up to 4000 rpm i presume.
We get to the Vineyard Blvd nearly the same time.

This is the same way to fly an airplane, The airspeed will vary heavily on winds, and the only guaranteed performance is the set engine power.

If you're going 25mph on the freeway, get off the freeway and take surface streets.

You have become an impediment to other drivers and are creating an unsafe situation for those behind you.

You are not flying an airplane.
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

aieahound

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2015, 05:56:29 AM »
I thought 35 on the freeway was bad......25 ? 

Damn Suka, Tutu's passing you.  :D

suka

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2015, 06:23:59 AM »
If a semi truck can maintain 25 going up Red Hill then I don't see anything wrong driving behind him going up.

oldfart

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2015, 06:33:45 AM »
I normally maintain a set RPM when i'm driving on the freeway. Its normally 1500-1800 RPM to get the maximum fuel range.
Going up Red Hill from the stadium, my speed is  around 25mph but I'm always in the right lane. Most people gun it up the hill revving their engines up to 4000 rpm i presume.
We get to the Vineyard Blvd nearly the same time.

This is the same way to fly an airplane, The airspeed will vary heavily on winds, and the only guaranteed performance is the set engine power.
...
Just drove over red hill a few minutes ago.
55mph at 2000 rpm.

25mph????
What, Me Worry?

suka

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2015, 06:49:55 AM »
These don't go very  fast at all when they were new ,  but i do stay  in the far right lane.

GZire

Re: Driving at posted speed limit?
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2015, 08:34:40 AM »
Only comfortable speed I drive at within reason and legal is 65mph on a MAJOR freeway. some of these single lane back roads posted speed is 55mph.  :shake:


Get a better car....................nah j/k ;)