France, a Muslim state, in 39 years.

Germany, a Muslim state, by 2050.

Europe in it's entirety, controlled by Muslims within 50 years.

Russia, 1 in 5 are Muslim now, predicted to grow to 40% of the total population in the next 25 years.

These aren't my predictions, these are from the governments and their population experts in the region and around the world.

 The Muslims are coming, and they're bringing a shit storm with them.

How? Immigration and birthrates. No culture has ever survived when it's birthrate has dropped below 2.11. Europe's birthrate without Muslims is at 1.38. The Muslim birthrate? 8+. The USA? 1.6. If you count the help we get from Latino immigrants, 2.11, treading water. But as of 2008 we only had about 9 million Muslims. Canada has about the same birthrate, but their Muslim population is exploding.

Now the idiots we have running the country want to start wholesale importation of "refugees" from third world shitholes.

They're taking over Europe without firing a shot. In most European countries there are "No go" areas controlled by them already.

Anyone feeling warm and fuzzy about this?

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Pretty dreadful outlooks. But unlike race, people are not born muslim and they do not have to remain muslim. Maybe we can convert them? (wishful thinking)

Heck America already has no go areas (places with bad gang activity), they just aren't related to religion.

But muslim or not I think we are already seeing European countries increasing their restrictions on immigrants, especially the refugee ones.

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It's not going to happen.

Europe is getting sick of their shit, and trust me when I say that Russians don't play with that shit either.

This is going to lead to a skyrocket in national/racial pride, similar to what happened in Germany in the 1920s. All across Europe, people are getting fed up with their governments and fed up with immigrants who come to their countries and increase the burdens on society. Inevitably, more Hitlers will arise, with the new focus pointed at muslims. The problem is that being a muslim isn't an ethnical problem, but rather a racial problem. Therefore, this will evolve into a nationalistic religious war, or the new crusades.

This is precisely why the middle east is trying to consolidate all the powers into a central 'empire' or conglomerate of muslim based states, so that they will have a home base when all this kicks off.

The tipping point will be the flood of Syrian refugees, who will attempt to force us to accept their culture rather than adapt to ours. When the spikes in ideological driven crimes and offenses start to happen (rape, murder, etc), you will see a rise in a vengeful opposing ideology that will eventually kick things off.

It's happening now.

I do agree that eventually the populace will rise up and civil war will ensue { except in France, pretty sure those pussies will just roll over } but I think you're placing a lot of faith in a bunch of metrosexual Europeans, most of whom have never even seen a gun, much less fired one. Even if immigration is taken out of the equation the birthrate issue is going to mean Muslims outstripping them in terms of population eventually. Fully 50% of babies born in some European countries are Muslim now.

Russia? Yeah, they don't take crap off of terrorists, but this is more like sitting on an anthill, trying to keep the ants from crawling all over you.

The real question is: Will we learn from Europe's example and stop this, before we're faced with the same situation?

Israel's walls couldn't hold them back



oh wrong type pf peeps

Israel's walls couldn't hold them back



oh wrong type pf peeps

Actually, not as far fetched as you might think, the walls around most countries aren't this high.

The real question is: Will we learn from Europe's example and stop this, before we're faced with the same situation?

What would we do though? Besides closing our borders I don't know if it would be legal to use ones religion as an immigration qualification.

Civil war though? In Europe they would have a hard time finding weapons I think unless they got enough people in the military/police etc. There is always the chance at a non violent take over through the ballot box if they had enough voters.

Brings up an interesting question here though, since we have the right to bear arms, that means if they had enough members they could arm themselves to do some damage in America.

Personal experience from working with muslims from muslim countries? working with muslims that live here from muslim countries?

Personal experience converting them? None.

I have two Iranian friends who became christian. One I don't know his back story, but the other was either enlisted in the military or borderline terrorist, brainwashed to hate Israel, and ended up converting to christianity.

What would we do though? Besides closing our borders I don't know if it would be legal to use ones religion as an immigration qualification.

Civil war though? In Europe they would have a hard time finding weapons I think unless they got enough people in the military/police etc. There is always the chance at a non violent take over through the ballot box if they had enough voters.

Brings up an interesting question here though, since we have the right to bear arms, that means if they had enough members they could arm themselves to do some damage in America.

Closing, or severely limiting immigration from certain regions is not without precedent. We did it with the Irish, the Italians and the Chinese. I'll have to check, but I don't think there's any reason we can't limit immigration based on religious ideology. Any country has the right to impose immigration restrictions that best suit their culture. While the Constitution protects a citizen's right to practice a given religion, there's nothing that says we have to admit people of any religion so they can practice it here. Some will find it morally reprehensible, but, given the ideological incompatibility of Islam with our culture and laws, I think it can be argued that we have every right to protect our way of life.

In the event of civil war I believe that, as with any war, the weapons will find the people. They always do.

The "nonviolent" takeover you speak of is happening right now in Europe, via immigration and a birthrate in excess of that of the native population. Civil war will break out when the native populace finds themselves subject to the laws of a religion they don't subscribe to, and they realize they've become an ethnic minority in their own country.

Here in the USA? I would say violence would break out sooner, rather than later. Due to the fact that such a large percentage of the population is armed, fully a third of the population. The equivalent of the largest standing army in the world.

Again, the question is: Do we allow this to happen here? Or do we allow the importation of our own demise as espoused by the current administration and liberal "Do Gooders", because Europe is doing it.

Here's what's happening in Germany. And they want to bring them to the US?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html[

Closing, or severely limiting immigration from certain regions is not without precedent. We did it with the Irish, the Italians and the Chinese. I'll have to check, but I don't think there's any reason we can't limit immigration based on religious ideology. Any country has the right to impose immigration restrictions that best suit their culture. While the Constitution protects a citizen's right to practice a given religion, there's nothing that says we have to admit people of any religion so they can practice it here. Some will find it morally reprehensible, but, given the ideological incompatibility of Islam with our culture and laws, I think it can be argued that we have every right to protect our way of life.

Ed,

With all due respect, you state in the paragraph above about limiting or restricting immigration based on "Religion" and you say the same thing based on "Religious Ideology". From my way of thinking these are two different things. For instance, there are Christians that practice their religion and live according to their ideology. But are not Christians responsible for numerous, if not most of the wars over our history due to their ideology? The Nazis were basically Atheists but committed murder and genocide over their ideology. There are 100's of thousands of muslims living here in the U.S. already and they are as much red blooded American citizens as you and I are. They even volunteer into our armed forces and fight for our country and freedom against Muslims that practice Radical Islam like Isis, Al Queida, etc. As a fact, the Muslim religion is a very peaceful religion which like Christianity and Judaism fits in very nicely into American culture. The fact is it is the minority of Muslims that choose to practice "Radical Islam" which is a bastardization of the real Islam that is the real problem here. Not Muslims in general and not Islam in general as you stated above.

The real issue here is not Muslim immigration. It is Syrian refugee immigration. Not all Syrians are Muslims. The real issues here are our country's lack of a clear and concise immigration policy, no control over some of our borders, and no process in place to keep those who believe in Radical Islam ideology and practice such from getting in to our country. And what to do with them if we find them before they commit a crime against us.

I believe it is very important to not lump together Muslims who believe in living an Islamic lifestyle and Muslims who believe in and live a Radical Islamic lifestyle. JMHO 

Ed,

With all due respect, you state in the paragraph above about limiting or restricting immigration based on "Religion" and you say the same thing based on "Religious Ideology". From my way of thinking these are two different things. For instance, there are Christians that practice their religion and live according to their ideology. But are not Christians responsible for numerous, if not most of the wars over our history due to their ideology? The Nazis were basically Atheists but committed murder and genocide over their ideology. There are 100's of thousands of muslims living here in the U.S. already and they are as much red blooded American citizens as you and I are. They even volunteer into our armed forces and fight for our country and freedom against Muslims that practice Radical Islam like Isis, Al Queida, etc. As a fact, the Muslim religion is a very peaceful religion which like Christianity and Judaism fits in very nicely into American culture. The fact is it is the minority of Muslims that choose to practice "Radical Islam" which is a bastardization of the real Islam that is the real problem here. Not Muslims in general and not Islam in general as you stated above.

The real issue here is not Muslim immigration. It is Syrian refugee immigration. Not all Syrians are Muslims. The real issues here are our country's lack of a clear and concise immigration policy, no control over some of our borders, and no process in place to keep those who believe in Radical Islam ideology and practice such from getting in to our country. And what to do with them if we find them before they commit a crime against us.

I believe it is very important to not lump together Muslims who believe in living an Islamic lifestyle and Muslims who believe in and live a Radical Islamic lifestyle. JMHO 

How do you tell them apart?

I don't disagree with your points, but the worst thing we can do is pretend radical Muslims are just a fringe group. There have been many studies and polls on this (here's one: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority/ ).

Europe will burn first and we'll be drawn into that conflict on at least some level. How will the "peaceful" Muslims in America respond then?

The eastern euro countries and Hungary are trying to fend off this ME migration because they dealt with something similar before in the 1500's & 1600's when the muslim Turks invaded parts of Europe.  Believe this is why Albania, Bosnia etc. still have strong muslim presence.  Spain also went through this.
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it".

How do you tell them apart?

I don't disagree with your points, but the worst thing we can do is pretend radical Muslims are just a fringe group. There have been many studies and polls on this (here's one: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority/ ).

Europe will burn first and we'll be drawn into that conflict on at least some level. How will the "peaceful" Muslims in America respond then?

Indeed if radicals are a certain percentage of a population and we let in a large group of that population we will likely get a chunk of radicals.

But having said that religion is not something we can screen the same way we would race or nationality. A muslim radical could be a white person from a non arabic country. The Philippines is mostly catholic but they have a problem with muslim radicals and we could get a muslim radical through the Philippines.

We may suspect them but I don't think we can act as an official government policy that muslim's are bad.

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Great topic Ed.

This is interesting stuff.
Guess I didn't think of this changing the world as we know it.

Europe is in a world of hurt right now and Merkel is sucking gas.
My guess is some serious Nationalistic movements will rise up because of this.

You think they'll send the ones they import to America to Minnesota to live next to the Somali's and freeze their asses in the winter ?

Why don't they let in all the El Salvadoreans and Hondurans as refugees ? Some messed up shit going on those countries.
Heck Mexico, with it's drug wars, we should grant all of them refugee status too.

Is it only because we bombed the shit out of Syria, without a formal war, that we're gonna import 100,000 of their citizens ?

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Before the refugees from Syria started moving around the world, the US and UK had roughly the same number of Muslim residents:

US - 2,595,000
UK - 2,869,000

The problem for the UK is their numbers represent a greater percentage of the population:

US - 0.8%
UK - 4.6%

That might still look insignificant, but look at what is happening with our laws and society based on on a 3% population of gays. 

It's not JUST the minority you have to consider.  You must also consider the leaders, politicians, and "tolerant left" who will openly demand the rest of the country accept the demands of this group. 
That creates a more sizable group working for the demands of Islam, possibly more than 50% of the population, even though the people pressing for acceptance are not themselves Muslim.

Food for thought.