Hawaii as a model for national gun control laws.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/following-hawaii-as-an-example-for-gun-reform/415815/?utm_source=yahoo

The one flaw these articles and "research" articles have is that they have the assumption that gun owners and guns are the cause of crime.
Crime doesn't exist without a human being. We are influenced, act on our decisions, then use a tool to accomplish their goal. That process sounds familiar to anything we do? What is the ROOT cause of any action? That's right the person in the mirror.

It's the people, it's not the laws.

I have a great Ted Nugent T-shirt that says:

If guns cause crime, mine are defective.

I don't think they'll ever get national registration, but they might get universal background checks.

Personally, I think the article helps makes the case of the more guns in the hands of the people the less crime there is. They try to explain it away and even though they provide hyperlinks to the studies they want you to read, they do not provide hyperlinks to the CDC and FBI data because they DON'T want you to read that. If you were able to read the data yourself you would then catch them in their lies. All they do is give you links to their interpretation and conclusions of the statistics they say they pulled from. They obviously don't want you to see the data so you can decide for yourself. Typical Liberal tactics of lying and deceit. JMHO

The article makes an interesting, if erroneous, argument that Hawaii has strict gun laws and low gun crime rates.
We have fairly high gun ownership. At least increasing gun ownership.
Because Hawaii is isolated, we get very few guns illegally brought from other states.
They allege this is a model for what national gun laws could look like if applied nationally to all States.

It doesn't take into account that almost all the guns used in mass shootings are legally purchased by people who could pass background checks.
And many guns used in crimes are "legally" bought by straw purchases which again the gun laws would do nothing to stop until they start prosecuting straw purchasers.

Off to register my new gun on my third trip to HPD. 

    With the mention of  the required universal background check for all firearm sales, the requirement to obtain a permit and sit through a two-week waiting period before making a purchase, and necessity to register any firearm they buy ("It’s not only hard to get a gun if you’re not qualified to own one", it's hard to get one if you are legally "qualified. )  I think it quite ironic that there is no mention of the required "class time" required to even obtain a permit to acquire.

    I believe this first step in firearm introduction, training and observation by trained professionals at least weeds out most  accidental and self-inflicted (suicide) and "indeterminate" though the term and use of "indeterminate", meaning unknown is  "indeterminate".
Being among the country’s happiest states including lower rates of depression would also decrease suicides

    That leaves assault-related and I'll include robbery as I hear of more firearm related robbery's than I do assaults.
RARELY do you hear of death in either case.

2014 population estimate was 1,419,561 and showing 2.6 firearm related deaths.

    How any of these occurred with legally owned firearms is not mentioned nor wether they were part of the "earlier study by the Mayors Against Illegal Guns who dug deeper into the ATF’s data. It found that Hawaii imported just 13 crime guns in 2009."
Were these illegally imported gins used for the 2.6 firearm related deaths

2013 Hawaii data determined that 25.8 percent (366,235) of us are gun owners.
   Were these 2.6 firearm related deaths part of Hawaii's 366,235 Hawaii's legal firearms owners?
 If so, less than 1.5 of those Hawaii gun owner's guns were used and it's possible that a single gun owner may have been responsible for the 2.6 firearm related deaths

   1,419,561 Hawaii residents owning 366,235 legal firearms with a history of 2.6 firearm related deaths with no mention of where the firearms responsible came from.

 It not our legally owned firearms nor the ridiculous process we have to go thru to acquire and possess one  (am in support of PROPER background checks and training)  that inhibits firearm related deaths or violent crime.
    It's Proper training and that  ILLEGAL guns  are difficult for CRIMINALS in this state to acquire due to our distance from OTHER CRIMINALS.

Rabble, rabble, rabble!

Why does Hawaii have 'low crime'? Because we are on F'ing islands; where you gonna go?

The article makes an interesting, if erroneous, argument that Hawaii has strict gun laws and low gun crime rates.
We have fairly high gun ownership. At least increasing gun ownership.
Because Hawaii is isolated, we get very few guns illegally brought from other states.
They allege this is a model for what national gun laws could look like if applied nationally to all States.

It doesn't take into account that almost all the guns used in mass shootings are legally purchased by people who could pass background checks.
And many guns used in crimes are "legally" bought by straw purchases which again the gun laws would do nothing to stop until they start prosecuting straw purchasers.

Off to register my new gun on my third trip to HPD. 

Hawaii's isolation does make it the most obvious choice in trying to study the effectiveness of gun control. The results are only going to be accurate though if the whole picture is taken into account. Total gun numbers are only part of the picture as a million people each owning a single gun is obviously not the same as 1000 people owning 1000 guns.

The article makes an interesting, if erroneous, argument that Hawaii has strict gun laws and low gun crime rates.
We have fairly high gun ownership. At least increasing gun ownership.
Because Hawaii is isolated, we get very few guns illegally brought from other states.
They allege this is a model for what national gun laws could look like if applied nationally to all States.

It doesn't take into account that almost all the guns used in mass shootings are legally purchased by people who could pass background checks.
And many guns used in crimes are "legally" bought by straw purchases which again the gun laws would do nothing to stop until they start prosecuting straw purchasers.

Off to register my new gun on my third trip to HPD. 

I am not so sure that the guns being used in murders in Chicago are coming in mostly from outside the state from other states where the restrictions on obtaining firearms is less than where they are going to. I have seen this argument in the past and when the numbers are looked at with an objective eye you find the statistics are twisted around to justify the claims of the anti-gunners. While I am not saying this is the case here there is one more thing we should look at. What about the states where the restrictions on obtaining a firearm is much easier than Chicago. Or how about the state of Illinois? I believe you will find that the states around Chicago have low gun murder rates. As such I used some information and I found that Indiana which is a state referenced in the article was #20 on the list out of the 51 states of gun murders. What is also interesting is that Illinois which is the state Chicago is in is #28 out of 51. So about average. So to me this says that there is a reason why guns are being brought in from out of state into Chicago. And that is because the politicians have created a market for illegal guns due to the strict gun control laws. And criminals can be entrepreneurs, too. Hence, organized crime.

I am not so sure that the guns being used in murders in Chicago are coming in mostly from outside the state from other states where the restrictions on obtaining firearms is less than where they are going to. I have seen this argument in the past and when the numbers are looked at with an objective eye you find the statistics are twisted around to justify the claims of the anti-gunners. While I am not saying this is the case here there is one more thing we should look at. What about the states where the restrictions on obtaining a firearm is much easier than Chicago. Or how about the state of Illinois? I believe you will find that the states around Chicago have low gun murder rates. As such I used some information and I found that Indiana which is a state referenced in the article was #20 on the list out of the 51 states of gun murders. What is also interesting is that Illinois which is the state Chicago is in is #28 out of 51. So about average. So to me this says that there is a reason why guns are being brought in from out of state into Chicago. And that is because the politicians have created a market for illegal guns due to the strict gun control laws. And criminals can be entrepreneurs, too. Hence, organized crime.

Your sources are askew, there are only 51 states !
Probably added another to make the numbers work.      

Your sources are askew, there are only 51 states !
Probably added another to make the numbers work.      

They included Washington D.C. in the list so I included it in my post. I should have stated it included D.C. 

They included Washington D.C. in the list so I included it in my post. I should have stated it included D.C. 

Yeah, Washington D.C is it's own little world.