If I got anything like this, I would just go direct to contact the lawyer for advice on it before proceeding.  This could have far reaching implications.

I suggest putting comments about the new procedures and letters in the Chief's mailbox as it will get increased and possibly Federal attention 

I talked to HPD Firearms division.

I don't know how accurate it is but they said if you've never been red flagged the letter just needs to say you've never been treated for substance or alcohol abuse and have never been treated for a mental/psychiatric disorder.

Still a pain in the ass and out of pocket expenses though.

The verbatim letter is for if you were flagged or they can't write the above due to something in your past medical records.

Again, this is just info from one officer but someone should try it.

I talked to HPD Firearms division.

I don't know how accurate it is but they said if you've never been red flagged the letter just needs to say you've never been treated for substance or alcohol abuse and have never been treated for a mental/psychiatric disorder.

Still a pain in the ass and out of pocket expenses though.

The verbatim letter is for if you were flagged or they can't write the above due to something in your past medical records.

Again, this is just info from one officer but someone should try it.

If that's the case, Kaiser should have no problem signing a letter stating the fact you have had no such disorders, treatments, or visits. 

The part about being qualified to own and handle firearms and ammunition is superfluous.  HPD should not require the HMO to give an evaluation if there are no disqualifying flags in your record.  HPD can make that determination based on the absence of any disqualifying evidence.

I talked to HPD Firearms division.

I don't know how accurate it is but they said if you've never been red flagged the letter just needs to say you've never been treated for substance or alcohol abuse and have never been treated for a mental/psychiatric disorder.

Still a pain in the ass and out of pocket expenses though.

The verbatim letter is for if you were flagged or they can't write the above due to something in your past medical records.

Again, this is just info from one officer but someone should try it.

I respectfully disagree, I do not believe it is their duty nor privilege to try and legislate new law or requirement.  I wouldn't submit to new policy with out further information from someone that is versed in such matters.  I'd put stuff on hold and get this settled.  This is how they chip, chip, chip away your rights.

I have just completed writing all my reps in city and state.  I will like to see some investigation and action from them.

I agree 100% with you Heavies.

This is just a suggestion for the guys not putting it on hold.

Black Friday and all.

So, should we just buy what we want on Black Friday and keep at the guns store until this is resolved? What would happen if I bought  a long gun and went to HPD to register it? If they denied me registering w/out the letter, wouldn't I be in possession of an illegal firearm after 5 days?

So, should we just buy what we want on Black Friday and keep at the guns store until this is resolved? What would happen if I bought  a long gun and went to HPD to register it? If they denied me registering w/out the letter, wouldn't I be in possession of an illegal firearm after 5 days?

if you bought a longgun you would already have your permit to acquire (for this year) and it would not affect you, yet...   handgun, You would have to leave it with the FFL until it is straight, and/or encourage the FFL's to get involved with this.  They stand to lose big money on this issue.

Sorry Heavies but I refuse to put my limited Hawaii freedom on hold.  Daddy needs a new S&W JM 929.

if you bought a longgun you would already have your permit to acquire (for this year) and it would not affect you, yet...   handgun, You would have to leave it with the FFL until it is straight, and/or encourage the FFL's to get involved with this.  They stand to lose big money on this issue.

That's my understanding.

Only applies to people who didn't apply for their permit prior to Monday, 11/23/15.

Registration is not a problem, it's only the new permit process that is screwed up.

  Daddy needs a new S&W JM 929.

Yeah Baby ! 

Yeah man, pretty stoked for it.  Ordered the rail and and have a spare Fastfire III just waiting for it. 

Also first revolver!

While I was at HPD yesterday, there was a gentleman inquiring about the issue of change in required paperwork. The most interesting comment made by the officer ( wasn't a sgt) was that this new requirement was happening only here in Honolulu. Why only Honolulu? That's jam up.

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While I was at HPD yesterday, there was a gentleman inquiring about the issue of change in required paperwork. The most interesting comment made by the officer ( wasn't a sgt) was that this new requirement was happening only here in Honolulu. Why only Honolulu? That's jam up.

Seems like someone has his panties in a bunch and decided to find a way to take it out on something he didn't like or agree with. I mean seriously now. Why only Honolulu? There's nothing that I can think of to warrant it.

Related question though - Are the PTAs state wide or by county? If it's only in Honolulu, would someone be able to fly over to one of the other islands and get a permit there? If so, it could be a work around for those having trouble with Kaiser and Straub.

something new to add to the fire.

friend of mine just went today.
now hpd is making everyone do fingerprints each time you get another gun.
and only 1 person in the firearms division at a time, with an officer outside the door guarding.
so each person takes 15-20 minutes, minimum.  if you got multi guns, be prepared to wait and wait!
making the process much, much longer to complete.

so it's getting worse for us 2A people.   

I just talked to Holcomb, have meeting on Tuesday 9am. he is seeking clients so far myself and one other, another backed out.

Kaiser members good luck finding a DR. they all sent me back to my PCP. I told them I was with Kaiser. I next tried saying I was uninsured, No matter what you do you will get rejected. I even showed them my long gun permit which is still valid. No Joy.

If you try finding a DR in Waipahu forget about it. You might as well sign on in taking legal action.

Will try DR.s other forum members suggested. I really want to get my hands on this shooter.

something new to add to the fire.

friend of mine just went today.
now hpd is making everyone do fingerprints each time you get another gun.
and only 1 person in the firearms division at a time, with an officer outside the door guarding.
so each person takes 15-20 minutes, minimum.  if you got multi guns, be prepared to wait and wait!
making the process much, much longer to complete.

so it's getting worse for us 2A people.   

wow more and more bullshit everyday

Seems like someone has his panties in a bunch and decided to find a way to take it out on something he didn't like or agree with. I mean seriously now. Why only Honolulu? There's nothing that I can think of to warrant it.

Related question though - Are the PTAs state wide or by county? If it's only in Honolulu, would someone be able to fly over to one of the other islands and get a permit there? If so, it could be a work around for those having trouble with Kaiser and Straub.

Keep in mind the law is a "State Law" covers all counties. I was told twice why here in Honolulu only. " On the outer Islands Kaiser responds favorably. On Oahu they both don't or they respond with the whole medical record. HPD feels like they are not doctors and they don't want to look through your whole medical record. But the law states that they should get access to it. Many reasons for the difference. Small place, could be a relative or friend, not that much demand....  Now keep in mind that Kaiser doesn't have to respond at all. I had another exchange today at HPD.

From the Sgt I spoke with " This is temporary while we negotiate with Kaiser and Straub, since they don't want to play ball. The verbiage is like that because we assume that you have or have had mental or drug dependency issues until proven otherwise by a doctor". They want us to put pressure on the hospitals. Remember the hospital doesn't have to reply.  If there's no reply and if no other reasons there to prevent you from getting the permit, it must be awarded. Don't fall for the "call the hospital customer service and complain to them". The problem is at HPD.

It would be helpful to post all of your exchanges with HPD regarding this matter. Please try to be accurate in your posts with facts only. If you are told something, ask a follow up question to clarify. If they tell you that  if you've never been red flagged the letter just needs to say you've never been treated for substance or alcohol abuse and have never been treated for a mental/psychiatric disorder. Ask the follow up question. Is that for every applicant including Kaiser and Straub. Make sure someone else is there and if you have to, ask again.

I just talked to Holcomb, have meeting on Tuesday 9am. he is seeking clients so far myself and one other, another backed out.

Kaiser members good luck finding a DR. they all sent me back to my PCP. I told them I was with Kaiser. I next tried saying I was uninsured, No matter what you do you will get rejected. I even showed them my long gun permit which is still valid. No Joy.

If you try finding a DR in Waipahu forget about it. You might as well sign on in taking legal action.

Will try DR.s other forum members suggested. I really want to get my hands on this shooter.

My appointment is Friday 12/11 I'm all in on this. Come join the party. It's free and the more the better. My issue is not with Kaiser or Straub. My issue is with HPD and the verbiage. 

My appointment is Friday 12/11 I'm all in on this. Come join the party. It's free and the more the better. My issue is not with Kaiser or Straub. My issue is with HPD and the verbiage. 

I spoke to Mr. Holcomb last night about this new requirement and about the potential Kaiser lawsuit. First, I need some clarification so I can pass it on to Mr. Holmcomb. Is this new requirement just for Kaiser and Straub patients (it sounds as if it is...)? And, is this new requirement for all new permits or only for those that have been previously "red flagged?"

If you go to an "outside" doctor for an evaluation after a denial by Kaiser, how does that physician meet the requirement of sending in a letter on Kaiser letterhead?

Your issue should be with Kaiser and HPD. Kaiser is the instigator of this problem. They are the ones that won't cooperate with providing you a letter, stating it isn't a covered benefit. They are the ones that instead of just not responding (which would allow the PTA process to proceed) send a letter saying they cannot make a decision on your ability to own a firearm. They are the ones that instead of making a synopsis of your medical records, send all of your medical records. They are the ones that will use any visit to any service remotely related to mental health to send HPD a disqualifying letter.

On the potential Kaiser lawsuit: So far only 3 individuals had called him (as of 1800 last night) and no one has followed up (with the exception of scorpio's schedule appointment...). We have a unique opportunity to pursue legal action on an egregious violation of "our" civil rights, a travesty that has been vociferously  argued and denounced here on this forum by those Kaiser members affected, yet the response to Mr. Holcomb's offer has been 3 inquiries and one scheduled appointment? Really? WTF?!