Let me preface this by saying I don't have a tendency towards belief in conspiracy theories.

Just yesterday, A person I know personally to be very intelligent posted saying "Just watch, the next shooting or terror incident will be somewhere close to where the authorities are holding a drill or exercise."

Lo and behold today there is an incident, and conveniently, the police are conducting a "Terrorism Exercise" just down the road.

I've looked at the "evidence" put forth by those that have been claiming Newtown was a false flag op. It made me wonder, with the convenient Disaster drill, the mysterious "man in the woods" they later claimed was a LEO from another town, that no one has seen or heard from since, the many "actors" that have been present in photographs of other incidents, that were there that day.

Add to that the links between the DOJ and payments to BLM protestors, as well as those made by private endorsers.

I wondered, but in the end dismissed it as improbable due to the sheer number of people that would need to be "in" on the con.

Lately however, I've begun to wonder again. As I mentioned in another thread, the coincidences of the rhetoric and the actions needed to support it have become too common.

Anyone else wondering about this? Do you think our own government is attempting to manipulate us like this in order to disarm us?

This one, I wouldn't think so.  Right now it's looking like a radical/terrorist incident.  Something like that makes people want to get arms, not surrender them, IMHO.

I could never be a conspiracy theorist;

conspiracy theorists believe in government competence.

- Will Spencer

Is this a terrorist attack? I was watching the news, the chief of police was not saying if it indeed is a terrorist attack.

There was an eye witness (female). She was very clear on her description of "assault weapons (she did say they were automatic), extra ammo, and magazines." She later went on to say that the 3 people she saw all were wearing "black cargo pants with puffy pockets." The three were also in military gear. Identities were somewhat  tough because they were wearing hats. Lastly she said the faces were white.
This lady's witness was really thorough. I was not able to catch any of the later updates being that I was viewing the news at 500p.

Is this a terrorist attack? I was watching the news, the chief of police was not saying if it indeed is a terrorist attack.

There was an eye witness (female). She was very clear on her description of "assault weapons (she did say they were automatic), extra ammo, and magazines." She later went on to say that the 3 people she saw all were wearing "black cargo pants with puffy pockets." The three were also in military gear. Identities were somewhat  tough because they were wearing hats. Lastly she said the faces were white.
This lady's witness was really thorough. I was not able to catch any of the later updates being that I was viewing the news at 500p.

Two individuals have already been identified as middle eastern; the man, farooq syed, and the woman, his wife.

The false flag concept has been brought up before.  It's pretty easy to push a highly passionate self-righteous hotheaded individual into action with a hint here, an agreement there, and a little positive reinforcement over there.

But the actors who do this kind of subtle pushing on the targeted individuals have easy deniability, so it's hard to prove.  And they are prone to drop the "paranoia" card to stifle discussion of the possibility.

I note that even the OP felt it necessary to give a disclaimer that he was not a conspiracy theorist.  See how that works?

Nevertheless, false flag operations have been done by smart generals, and the dumb generals fall for them.

Terry, 230RN

The false flag concept has been brought up before.  It's pretty easy to push a highly passionate self-righteous hotheaded individual into action with a hint here, an agreement there, and a little positive reinforcement over there.

But the actors who do this kind of subtle pushing on the targeted individuals have easy deniability, so it's hard to prove.  And they are prone to drop the "paranoia" card to stifle discussion of the possibility.

I note that even the OP felt it necessary to give a disclaimer that he was not a conspiracy theorist.  See how that works?

Nevertheless, false flag operations have been done by smart generals, and the dumb generals fall for them.

Terry, 230RN

A lot of truth there.

There's always plenty of doubt and little evidence, nobody wants to jump to conclusions. Lately though, the massive increase in the number of incidents has begun to make me more suspicious, I think we're up to 21 in the current 8 year period, as opposed to an average of about 7 per 8 year period leading up to the current admin.

It's just become too pat, Obama wants to focus on gun control and shazaam! Yet another mass shooting occurs. Usually by someone with some sort of emotional or mental instability using anti depressants.

Just a little too convenient for me.

Do you mean to suggest that the whole thing was staged or do you mean to say that the government knew this was going to go down and that they let it so as to make some sort of point? (multiple points could be made from this event).

I have a hard time believing our government would let someone kill that many people just to have something to use for an agenda. If this were something on foreign soil I might be more able to believe they would let the attack happen to prove a point but not here at home.  I could believe that maybe they had intel that something was going to happen in the area and thus scheduled a training so as to be more ready though.

Along these lines, when it was reported that ISIS had made public their plans to infiltrate the west by hiding among refugees I immediately became suspicious. If you are going to sneak in as a refugee so as to commit terrorist acts, the last thing you will do is make your plan public. No way they are that stupid to announce a secret plan unless it wasn't really a plan but just wanted us to think it was so as to divert attention or resources. Or could this be done as a government propaganda tactic to convince Americans of something?

A lot of truth there.

There's always plenty of doubt and little evidence, nobody wants to jump to conclusions. Lately though, the massive increase in the number of incidents has begun to make me more suspicious, I think we're up to 21 in the current 8 year period, as opposed to an average of about 7 per 8 year period leading up to the current admin.

It's just become too pat, Obama wants to focus on gun control and shazaam! Yet another mass shooting occurs. Usually by someone with some sort of emotional or mental instability using anti depressants.

Just a little too convenient for me.

I agree that it seems just a little too convenient for me as well. If you go out and Google mass shootings in the U.S. you will find that they occur quite regularly and often not reported other than locally. So the fact we are hearing about these shootings more and more just means that they are being reported nationally more and more. According to this website there have been 381 mass shootings so far this year. More than one a day. http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

My big question is more on the lines of why are the large media outlets just now reporting more of the shootings that seem to occur almost daily. I do believe that there is something going on between the current administration and the major news media outlets. JMHO 

The false flag concept has been brought up before.  It's pretty easy to push a highly passionate self-righteous hotheaded individual into action with a hint here, an agreement there, and a little positive reinforcement over there.
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That "pushing" doesn't have to come from the top.

It can be done by like-minded individuals at the middle and lower levels of  "that camp."  All it takes for the idea to germinate and spread is a remark at a party or something to the effect of "I wish we had more attacks like that so we could ban all those damned guns those rednecks have." 

Overheard, others gather to that person and the discussion begins and the idea spreads through mid-or-lower levels of "that camp."  Sooner or later it gets to a person who is brainwashed and weak-minded enough that a few extra pushes, a couple of suggestions, an "approval" here and there, prompts that person to take action.

There doesn't have to be a high-level coordinated plan to do this. Just let the idea quietly spread under the table through the more dedicated members of the group and sooner or later, it'll come to someone daft enough to actualize their passion on the grounds that the end justifies the means.

Let's not forget that "that camp" is remarkably adept at manipulating things psychologically... as in creating terms like "assault rifle" and so forth.  (I assume I need not illustrate that any further.)

Terry, 230RN

Lo and behold today there is an incident, and conveniently, the police are conducting a "Terrorism Exercise" just down the road.

On another website, the question was raised, how were the BATF and the FBI on scene so quickly?

It is not such a huge leap to think as you are possibly doing when you see things like this.

On another website, the question was raised, how were the BATF and the FBI on scene so quickly?

It is not such a huge leap to think as you are possibly doing when you see things like this.

San Bernardino is only 60 miles away from LA, which has the 2nd largest FBI field office in the nation after NY. Plus San Bernardino itself probably has a small local FBI/Fed office.  First word of an active shooter and every leo in the area is gonna respond.  60 miles hauling ass from LA should take no more than 2 hours to get there, faster if they jumped in a helicopter.

Not a false flag. Just another Muslime filth that read his Koran and somehow ended up 'misunderstanding' that that book is all about peace.

Regardless of who was doing the planning, the shooting is perfectly timed to forward foreign policy objectives.

Because of the refugee crisis people are questioning the war on Syria, how ISIS is being funded by Turkey buying their stolen oil, and how US forces seemed unwilling to make a meaningful attack against that pipeline until the Russians came along and made more progress in a few days taking out ISIS targets than the coalition has made in months.

If Assad stays then we lose control of the region to the Russians, therefore we need a stronger presence to make sure the anti-Assad Islamic radicals have a chance to take him down so we can set up yet another puppet government and strengthen 'control' of the region. It's a stupid plan, but it's one of the last desperate moves of a fading superpower trying to hold on to global hegemony and keep everyone paying for their oil in USD.

So much like the Paris attacks this one will inevitably raise a giant war-boner in the media. More resources go into Syria and disrupting the Russians from being "too effective" in the war on terror, at least until the point where the Syrian government is fully destabilized and we have a perfect excuse to stay there for decades to fight the terrorists that we previously trained and supported.

Do you mean to suggest that the whole thing was staged or do you mean to say that the government knew this was going to go down and that they let it so as to make some sort of point? (multiple points could be made from this event).

I have a hard time believing our government would let someone kill that many people just to have something to use for an agenda. If this were something on foreign soil I might be more able to believe they would let the attack happen to prove a point but not here at home.  I could believe that maybe they had intel that something was going to happen in the area and thus scheduled a training so as to be more ready though.

Along these lines, when it was reported that ISIS had made public their plans to infiltrate the west by hiding among refugees I immediately became suspicious. If you are going to sneak in as a refugee so as to commit terrorist acts, the last thing you will do is make your plan public. No way they are that stupid to announce a secret plan unless it wasn't really a plan but just wanted us to think it was so as to divert attention or resources. Or could this be done as a government propaganda tactic to convince Americans of something?

All I'm suggesting is the possibility. I'm just a little floored that a person I know to be highly intelligent and logical, could make such an accurate prediction in this regard. The fact is that she's right, a number of incidents like this follow a predictable pattern regarding the presence of a military or LE "training" exercise. As far as the government being capable of this act, 230RN's post says it best:

That "pushing" doesn't have to come from the top.

It can be done by like-minded individuals at the middle and lower levels of  "that camp."  All it takes for the idea to germinate and spread is a remark at a party or something to the effect of "I wish we had more attacks like that so we could ban all those damned guns those rednecks have." 

Overheard, others gather to that person and the discussion begins and the idea spreads through mid-or-lower levels of "that camp."  Sooner or later it gets to a person who is brainwashed and weak-minded enough that a few extra pushes, a couple of suggestions, an "approval" here and there, prompts that person to take action.

There doesn't have to be a high-level coordinated plan to do this. Just let the idea quietly spread under the table through the more dedicated members of the group and sooner or later, it'll come to someone daft enough to actualize their passion on the grounds that the end justifies the means.

Let's not forget that "that camp" is remarkably adept at manipulating things psychologically... as in creating terms like "assault rifle" and so forth.  (I assume I need not illustrate that any further.)

Terry, 230RN

I long ago came to the conclusion that the progressives { read communists } among us, and especially those infesting our government, will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. To them, the end truly does justify the means. If a few people, or a million, have to die for them to achieve it, they will applaud the fact that they were able to rid the world of so many that stood in the way of their "Great Achievement". Just like Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot. That many of those that died were innocent is just breaking eggs to make an omelet to them.

Luminati.

It's the Bushes,  skull and bones,  and the Conservative Right setting all this up to keep the war machine and American oil prices going.
Preventing refugees from immigrating.

And they're doing it in states with strong gun laws to prove they don't work to kill 2 birds with one stone.

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I long ago came to the conclusion that the progressives { read communists } among us, and especially those infesting our government, will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. To them, the end truly does justify the means. If a few people, or a million, have to die for them to achieve it, they will applaud the fact that they were able to rid the world of so many that stood in the way of their "Great Achievement". Just like Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot. That many of those that died were innocent is just breaking eggs to make an omelet to them.

Spot on !

Like.

I'm so pleased that someone else sees this.

In so many ways, "McCarthyism" was wrong.

But in so many ways, "McCarthyism" was right.

Unfortunately, only some of our elders remain to remember this and to recognize the progress "progressivism" has made toward "communism.".

Terry, 230RN

Quote from edster48:

Spot on !

Like.

I'm so pleased that someone else sees this.

In so many ways, "McCarthyism" was wrong.

But in so many ways, "McCarthyism" was right.

Unfortunately, only some of our elders remain to remember this and to recognize the progress "progressivism" has made toward "communism.".

Terry, 230RN

Agreed. McCarthy had it right. Only his methods can be questioned. But what other method could be used to squelch communism and still remain true to our belief in freedom of thought?

McCarthy's method brings us too close to that which we revile. Education? Perhaps that's why they made that their first real conquest.

"Progressivism" is merely the moniker the communists hide behind. They began calling themselves this in the early 20th century to misdirect those that opposed them and gain acceptance. It's a lie, like everything else they espouse. They've begun to shed this cloak since it's become quite obvious what they really are and they have become strong enough in number to feel it's no longer needed. { Bernie Sanders, Hillary } As recently as 20 years ago, to declare yourself openly as a "Socialist" was political suicide. Now we have them running for president, with a real chance of winning.

It's a Brave New World Komerade. Peace be upon you......

There is an ISIS influence with this event. Of course, knowing how Americans respond to this (i.e. enact more gun control) this only plays into our enemies' favor.
Reminds me of a movie plot - where people are disarmed so that they can't harm each other and when the threat arrives they are defenseless. Walking Dead?

There is an ISIS influence with this event. Of course, knowing how Americans respond to this (i.e. enact more gun control) this only plays into our enemies' favor.
Reminds me of a movie plot - where people are disarmed so that they can't harm each other and when the threat arrives they are defenseless. Walking Dead?

Demolition Man

"We're police officers!  We're not trained to handle this kind of violence!"