Racing on Highway and reckless driving ticket. (Read 28628 times)

GZire

Re: Racing on Highway and reckless driving ticket.
« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2016, 04:43:07 PM »
i understand what you're trying to say here, but i think the "safety" argument is kind of unwarranted in court.  it would be an entirely different story if we're talking about a 291C-101, the basic speed rule violation.

the point i was trying to make was that most motorists don't realize that affirmative defenses aren't very helpful in normal speeding cases.  the law clearly states that if you're over the limit, you're in violation.  you could try to justify yourself to the court, but ultimately you're still in violation.


although the radar and laser devices themselves probably aren't off, they can give severely inaccurate readings if used improperly, and those variances can be significantly more than 3 mph.  regardless, this issue is somewhat off topic.

and in response to the issue you raised about the speedometers the issue has already been addressed on multiple occasions by the appellate courts (for a recent decision, see State v. Fitzwater, 277 P.3d 520 (2010)).  the law doesn't care whether your speedometer was reading accurately or not.  what does matter is whether you were traveling faster than the posted speed limit.  If i were a prosecutor, i would argue that, if the motorist knew that there was a certain amount of variance in the output reading of the speedometer and the car's actual speed, then shouldn't the motorist have known to drive much slower than the limit so that the inaccuracies would not become a detriment later?

again, i'm not trying to argue whether the law should be this or that.  I'm merely pointing out that the law is unambiguous and, because of that fact, it is difficult to prevail on certain arguments in court.


I agree that if you're speeding, you're speeding and you're breaking the law........but the argument of traffic flow is a valid one.

Also I still don't think that a misused radar, lidar, or laser is going to be off by over 5 mph at 60 mph, that's a 8.3%+ error.  It could be miscalibrated but misused?.....unlikely.   Rather if you get a "bad" reading it's more likely that the officer shot another car and not you, it doesn't take much to miss the front plate or headlights.

I'm pointed out facts why the speedometers can be off.  I'm not talking about guys changing tire sizes I'm talking about how oem equipment can be off and how the same tire will read different speeds during its life.  With regards to the law doesn't care, I again must disagree, this is within the discretion of the judge.  Many many people have gotten off due to this.  Heck I've heard stories about guys following officers, the officer pulls over then tickets the person following and those get thrown out despite the person speeding.........the reason, because the driver had a reasonable expectation that they were keeping up with the flow of traffic (set by the LEO).

This being said I do agree that the law is/can be ambiguous.  There are always going to be situations that are not taken into account my the lawmakers when bills are drafted/approved.

It really all comes down to who you pull as a judge the day you go to court.

Bcspy

Re: Racing on Highway and reckless driving ticket.
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2016, 05:03:14 PM »
Awesome to the point.

j10nke

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monster796

Re: Racing on Highway and reckless driving ticket.
« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2016, 04:37:37 PM »
I finally got a call from the public defenders office asking for the video, to help the other driver. I am happy and hope his case gets dismissed. The PD was explaining that he was worried as it was the cops word against his. Now he has this I guess :D

asinapple8805

Re: Racing on Highway and reckless driving ticket.
« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2016, 07:11:24 PM »

I agree that if you're speeding, you're speeding and you're breaking the law........but the argument of traffic flow is a valid one.

Also I still don't think that a misused radar, lidar, or laser is going to be off by over 5 mph at 60 mph, that's a 8.3%+ error.  It could be miscalibrated but misused?.....unlikely.   Rather if you get a "bad" reading it's more likely that the officer shot another car and not you, it doesn't take much to miss the front plate or headlights.

I'm pointed out facts why the speedometers can be off.  I'm not talking about guys changing tire sizes I'm talking about how oem equipment can be off and how the same tire will read different speeds during its life.  With regards to the law doesn't care, I again must disagree, this is within the discretion of the judge.  Many many people have gotten off due to this.  Heck I've heard stories about guys following officers, the officer pulls over then tickets the person following and those get thrown out despite the person speeding.........the reason, because the driver had a reasonable expectation that they were keeping up with the flow of traffic (set by the LEO).

This being said I do agree that the law is/can be ambiguous.  There are always going to be situations that are not taken into account my the lawmakers when bills are drafted/approved.

It really all comes down to who you pull as a judge the day you go to court.

my apologies for not clarifying what i had said earlier, and also for this late response.  I must have glanced over your reply.  to start off, please don't take my response as a personal attack on you.

if i'm not mistaken, i believe you said that you are an engineer in another thread.  i certainly am not so please excuse my ignorance.

you said that you don't think that a misused radar or lidar device would provide a very large margin of error.  maybe i should clarify myself.  when i said "improperly," i actually meant that the device was used with the intent to measure the speed of a car, but the method of obtaining that measurement could lead to the device providing inaccurate readings.  I'm not a physicist by any means, but it is my understanding that the radar and lidar used by traffic cops rely on the Doppler principle.

I've done my fair share of research, which i had intended to present in court, but i've never had the opportunity.  given that you're an engineer, can you provide an explanation in layman's terms how a difference in vantage point of a velocity measurement device with respect to the vector of travel will affect the reported measurement?  in other words, using an extreme example, what kind of readings would i get if i were lasering a vehicle traveling directly at me (or directly away from me) versus lasering a vehicle traveling in a direction perpendicular to my direction of aim?

also, i apologize to monster if it appears like i'm hijacking his thread.  i'm hoping that the resulting discussion will be somewhat relevant to the topic of speeding and speed traps in general.