What about the  "By law, a gun dealer can complete a sale to a customer if the background check comes back clean or has taken more than three days to complete" I read in the Obama Executive Order" article ?   

So, you think the government knowing how many guns you have is important?  For what reason?

Who do you think the government will have that information on?  Everyone, or just those who register guns?

The man in South Carolina with 7,000 to 10,000 guns -- putting aside they may have been stolen -- was his being in possession of those guns causing anyone else problems? 

One gun in the hands of an evil man is a problem.  Hundreds or even thousands in the hands of someone with no ill will toward anyone is only a problem for people who fear guns (and anyone who tries to rob him!!).

I'm very curious what "drawbacks" exist with a state not requiring firearm registration.

Is not that hard to concieve. Lets say you were diagnosed with a brain tumor which made you susceptible to outbreaks of violence. The doctor petitions the judge to prevent you from owning firearms and the judge revokes your right.  With registration the legal system knows you have guns and how many. With no registration they have no knowledge of whether you have guns that need taking away. Prior to the mental illnes you had no plans to do evil.so you cant use the argument that bad guys wont follow the law anyway.

Or lets say you commit a violent felony. And can no longer have guns. With registration the state can enwure you follow the law but checking that you turned them back in or sold them.

Prior to being screwed over by your doctor, you had and still have no intention to do evil.

once i was screwed over by my doctor, i would have lots of intention to do evil

Using your same scenario, lets say your doctor is a left wing, anti-gun obama worshiper that doesn't have your best interest in mind. He petitions a judge to prevent you from owning firearms because he is doing everything within the limits of his power to 'reduce gun violence', and the judge revokes your right based on this false report.

Because of the current state legal system, they know exactly how many guns you have, and will confiscate them all. With no registration, they wouldn't have any knowledge of potential firearms that you may need in a future situation to protect yourself or your loved ones.

Prior to being screwed over by your doctor, you had and still have no intention to do evil.

Is not that hard to concieve. Lets say you were diagnosed with a brain tumor which made you susceptible to outbreaks of violence. The doctor petitions the judge to prevent you from owning firearms and the judge revokes your right.  With registration the legal system knows you have guns and how many. With no registration they have no knowledge of whether you have guns that need taking away. Prior to the mental illnes you had no plans to do evil.so you cant use the argument that bad guys wont follow the law anyway.

Or lets say you commit a violent felony. And can no longer have guns. With registration the state can enwure you follow the law but checking that you turned them back in or sold them.

I went this morning and the line wasn't moving AT ALL.  Not one person registering or applying got processed in the 45 min I stood in line.  Cop said they had a new paperless system starting today and were having glitches.  I said F*ck it and walked out.  I'll wait for them to get their shit together and try again in a couple weeks. 

News report says hpd is trying to make things go faster by letting you go to honolulupd.org to download all the forms and filling them out before going to the pd.
Is this something really different?

I've been told before that I need to fill out their forms that they give to you at the PD. The ones I had printed and filled out they didn't accept.  Maybe they changed that?

I've been told before that I need to fill out their forms that they give to you at the PD. The ones I had printed and filled out they didn't accept.  Maybe they changed that?

Same for me.  Filled out the online forms, but the online versions don't look exactly like the forms they use at the firearms section.   Made me redo everything.

Being "susceptible to outbreaks of violence" does not equal a history of violent behavior.

Rather than remove firearms from the patient's home and ban him from exercising his rights, why not just confine him?  If he's that violent, then the absence of a gun will not make him less violent.  He could grab a knife, a tire iron, a lead pipe or a baseball bat and murder someone in one of his "violent oubreaks."

What I'm getting at it, if the man is dangerous, petitioning to remove the man's guns would be ineffective.  To look at it from the other angle, if he's not dangerous enough to be locked away for fear of hurting himself or others, then he's not violent enough to take away his right of self defense.

Maybe instead of a judge getting involved, the doctor might recommend having a relative take custody of the firearms.  One thing people don't seem to understand or care about is, once the system labels you, it can screw you up in all kinds of ways down the road.  Look at the crap going on with HPD and Kaiser/Straub.  Seeking counseling for diabetes can get you flagged to deny you a gun.   

So, instead of looking for the justice system to get involved in every single situation, how about we exercise common sense and treat people with the respect they deserve.  We are so terrified of lawyers now, nobody wants to do what's right, only what's legal.

Using your same scenario, lets say your doctor is a left wing, anti-gun obama worshiper that doesn't have your best interest in mind. He petitions a judge to prevent you from owning firearms because he is doing everything within the limits of his power to 'reduce gun violence', and the judge revokes your right based on this false report.

Because of the current state legal system, they know exactly how many guns you have, and will confiscate them all. With no registration, they wouldn't have any knowledge of potential firearms that you may need in a future situation to protect yourself or your loved ones.

Prior to being screwed over by your doctor, you had and still have no intention to do evil.

There are still avenues there. You can appeal the decision, change doctors, make a complaint to the medical board for false reports. No system is perfect.

the problem with your solution is that it can still fail. Common sense isnt always so common until we have hindsight. Sure, the doctor can recomend a family member take the guns but we both know that wont always work. A family member might just fail to take actions.

There are times when a person genuinely needs their guns taken away but that imprisonment is not justified. Registration allows the government to better prevent that person from having a gun. Neither system is perfect and in a real discussion we mist admit both the benefits and drawbacks of a proposal.

If a person is having problems but decides to avoid counseling because he knows he'll lose his right to own guns, the law is effectively driving a wedge between doctors and patients in need of help.  People needing help will opt out, and now he's even more likely to eventually become a problem for society, maybe even violently.

This is a major reason why veterans who need help don't get it, because they are always being persecuted and being subjected to unnecessary punishments like having their firearms taken away because of the trauma of war.

I guess EEF supports the disarmament of veterans.