Quote from: Heavies on October 25, 2011, 02:53:11 AM

There are those who are unsafe. Will additional training help? I don't know, and in some cases, I doubt it. 

I heard that a guy put his rifle in his soft case at the range the other day, facing downrange thank God, and pulled the trigger.  Blew the front off the case...  he didn't clear his rifle.
Also, during the ceasefire, a guy leaves his pump shotgun with the bolt closed on the table.  The RO asks him to open the bolt, he says I don't know how to open it without pulling the trigger....
The RO opens it up to find 3 more rounds in the magtube!

I don't opine that there needs to be mandated training to acquire, however, I do feel in is one responsibility to train oneself to handle and operated a dangerous tool properly and safely.


You canÂ’t legislate against stupidity.

There is also no dumbass vaccine.

Yes, there is...it's lead and usually self-administered......

Given the direction this poll is heading, I'm considering opening a hamburger concessionaire next to the fingerprinting station on the ground floor of HPD's main station.

Id like to take a class that is focused on the weapon itself, safe operation, how it works/take apart, understanding gun terms. 
Sounds like i need a mentor or 2.  Any volunteers.  Hahahahaha.

HDF offers a very thorough version of the NRA Pistol course. 

- Alex

Given the direction this poll is heading, I'm considering opening a hamburger concessionaire next to the fingerprinting station on the ground floor of HPD's main station.

a hamburger stand at the range would be awesome

Quote from: bass monkey on October 25, 2011, 02:08:51 PM

Id like to take a class that is focused on the weapon itself, safe operation, how it works/take apart, understanding gun terms. 
Sounds like i need a mentor or 2.  Any volunteers.  Hahahahaha.

You're welcome to come shooting with me when I go to kokohead.

I've been shooting for over 30 years and have taken numerous safety and training courses over the years

I might have to take you up on that offer one day.  Maybe show me the way of the AK.

And thanks to the other guy that posted about the DHF class, ill look into that as well.

I ordered a hamburger.

Any fee, tax, delay, training requirement, "reasonable burden," or any other restriction on firearms ownership or manner of bearing whatsoever, is inherently unconstitutional and illegal.

Repeat that to yourself.  Believe it.  Live it as much as possible under your present yokes.

The only reason you are under any yoke whatsoever is that the ones who enforce those illegal laws have bigger, faster-firing, and more guns than you do.

Are you shocked?  That I ordered a hamburger, I mean?

Terry, 230RN

Well, I guess you were shocked.  Sorry, but we got along fine for 150 years with almost no firearms laws at all.

Well, I guess you were shocked.  Sorry, but we got along fine for 150 years with almost no firearms laws at all.

What time period was this?

Quote from: 230RN on November 10, 2011, 01:58:54 AM

Well, I guess you were shocked.  Sorry, but we got along fine for 150 years with almost no firearms laws at all.

What time period was this?

What time period?

Only the greatest time ever in American history.

A time when hamburgers flowed like water. A time when it cost nothing to add cheese. A time when the secret sauce was just mayonnaise and ketchup mixed together.

I want a hamburger!

A honest truth would be there have, historically, been even greater burdens on firearms if you look back in history.  Professor Adam Winkler of UCLA did a really good job of this Gun Fight. I encourage everyone to purchase and read a copy.

A good example would be the $200 stamp tax on Short barreled rifles, silencers, and the like.  When the NFA was enacted in 1934, this was the equivalent to around $3000 today.  Fortunately, the law does not account for inflation.

A honest truth would be there have, historically, been even greater burdens on firearms if you look back in history.  Professor Adam Winkler of UCLA did a really good job of this Gun Fight. I encourage everyone to purchase and read a copy.

Save us the effort and summarize the book in 5 words or less.

Quote from: Funtimes on November 10, 2011, 11:08:44 AM

A honest truth would be there have, historically, been even greater burdens on firearms if you look back in history.  Professor Adam Winkler of UCLA did a really good job of this Gun Fight. I encourage everyone to purchase and read a copy.

Save us the effort and summarize the book in 5 words or less.

My thoughts exactly.

Farknkocker, I applaud thee.

Quote from: Mr. Farknkocker on November 10, 2011, 02:15:29 PM

Quote from: Funtimes on November 10, 2011, 11:08:44 AM

A honest truth would be there have, historically, been even greater burdens on firearms if you look back in history.  Professor Adam Winkler of UCLA did a really good job of this Gun Fight. I encourage everyone to purchase and read a copy.

Save us the effort and summarize the book in 5 words or less.

My thoughts exactly.

Farknkocker, I applaud thee.

Funtimes PUI.  Buy Gun Fight.

Some stuff will stand, sucks.

^^ Five words.  But, in all honesty, its one of the better books I have read in a long time. It covers a bunch of the drama of heller and things I never really knew about the NRA.   It was eye opening.

Eye opening book, covers much. 

Oh yeah what the heck is PUI ?

I even googled it ;( nothing.

Oh yeah what the heck is PUI ?

I even googled it ;( nothing.

Probably one of these three. Doubt its the last one, though.

1. Posting Under the Influence

2. Plan d'Urgence Interne (French: Internal Emergency Plan); or

3. Pokemon USA Inc.

A honest truth would be there have, historically, been even greater burdens on firearms if you look back in history.  Professor Adam Winkler of UCLA did a really good job of this Gun Fight. I encourage everyone to purchase and read a copy.

 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393077411/?tag=2ahawaii-20

Hmmm...$18.45 on Amazon.com....

That's about the cost of a box of 130 gr .270 Winchester at SA on sale.

Decisions, decisions, decision....

"I was too busy pointing my gun at someone elses head" Was that a joke?


 Okaaaay.

I know of firearms instructors here that have not passed  students on the first try (sometimes the 2nd try) in a class who they feel they are not ready. They end up taking the class again especially the range portion to make sure they are safe.

Sometimes people forget /not paying attention.  When you are at a range and see someone doing something unsafe especially one next to you then I would make it m my point to correct that person. I know there are some people that no matter what kind of training they get are unsafe.

Making mandatory safety class or more hours of training is more of a control by the Gov't. Look at what happened here.  The law stated that HPD  taught  safety classes are okay but  HPD will not teach the safety  classes. Then HPD said the Hunters Ed course is no good because it didn't have the range time.  - Yea I know Hunters Ed is more for hunters and hikers but thats course is included. The Hunters Ed courses here are usually full and on a standby bases. That class is held once every 3 months or so.

Anyways I'll have a hamburger too.