weird thing is the second time that HPD lost my psychologist letter (yes they lost it twice), the officer told me that i need to send them another bc, "you wouldn't want to lose all your firearms bc you dont have a letter."


I found that a little concerning since they lost the letter after i gave it to them, so its not my fault its theirs, but i would still lose my firearms
but actually not, bc thats not the law, but thats what he said
another example of how they just make stuff up as they go along.
welcome to Hawaii.   

Did they notify you in person or over the phone?

I would start recording any and all conversations that take place with HPD firearms.

Done. Hope it'll make a difference...many things in general across this country lead me to believe otherwise.

Done!

Thank you for the post.

Just submitted my testimony. At the end I tossed in a plug for CCW and changing to shall-issue.

weird thing is the second time that HPD lost my psychologist letter (yes they lost it twice), the officer told me that i need to send them another bc, "you wouldn't want to lose all your firearms bc you dont have a letter."


I found that a little concerning since they lost the letter after i gave it to them, so its not my fault its theirs, but i would still lose my firearms
but actually not, bc thats not the law, but thats what he said
another example of how they just make stuff up as they go along.
welcome to Hawaii.   

Ask for a property receipt to prove you submitted the letter. Not sure if they will do it, but worth a try.

Guys, HB2632 has been deferred to 2/12/2016 11:30am.

That means there is still more time to send in testimonies.  Keep sending in your testimonies against this bill.

HB2632 Seizure of Firearms; Mental Illness; Police RELATING TO FIREARMS.   
Requires firearms owners who have been disqualified from owning a firearm and ammunition due to mental illness to immediately surrender their firearms and ammunition to the Chief of Police.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2632

I believe the new deadline for testimonies is Thursday 2/11/2016 11:30am

Here's what I submitted:

This bill, like so many other firearm-related bills that have been introduced to this body, is far to broad in scope and ambiguous in nature.  It would provide too much opportunity for abuse of authority with little recourse for the affected citizen.

If this bill becomes law, any law-abiding, firearm owning resident of Hawaii could be stripped of a fundamental human right (the right to self-defense) with only the merest nod to due process, and with essentially no avenue to get that right reinstated.  Given the wording of HRS 134-7(c) (the referenced section for reasons for disqualification to possess firearms/ammunition), someone could seek a no-contact order against another individual out of vengeance or spite with no real supporting evidence, and the subject of that order would be required to IMMEDIATELY surrender all firearms and ammunition with no chance to dispute the order whatsoever, and the process to have lawfully owned firearms returned once seized is murky at best.

This legislation is yet another misguided attempt to strip law abiding citizens of fundamental rights protected by both the U.S. Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Hawaii, and it must be defeated.

Feel free to plagiarize it if you want to submit testimony but you're short on time...

What if we can get an LEO officer to write a letter saying that the law is too vague so as to be difficult to enforce constitutionally. Then say that if the law is passed, they will not enforce it due to the unconstitutional nature? Maybe that will get their attention more.

I sure hope that most LEOs feel that way, eyeeatingfish.

weird thing is the second time that HPD lost my psychologist letter (yes they lost it twice), the officer told me that i need to send them another bc, "you wouldn't want to lose all your firearms bc you dont have a letter."


I found that a little concerning since they lost the letter after i gave it to them, so its not my fault its theirs, but i would still lose my firearms
but actually not, bc thats not the law, but thats what he said
another example of how they just make stuff up as they go along.
welcome to Hawaii.   

As stated previously,

record any and all conversations taking place over the phone or at the window when it involves HPD firearms.
*only those conversations in which you are directly involved or have permission to record from another individual*

They have also changed their story on me several times, and I even called an officer out to his face for what he told me on a previous visit that he claimed he didn't say during the last visit.

Spreadsheet updated as of 2/11/2016 4:45pm. 

A big thank you to the HRA and Dr. Max Cooper for reviewing and clarifying / providing a position on the various bills!

Link to spreadsheet -> https://goo.gl/1kZGOI

Major updates as of this afternoon.  Nothing good for us.

• SB2647 (Fines for Sale of Ivory) passed with amendments by JDL committee
• SB2954 (Firearm database, Hawaii Criminal JDC) passed with amendments by PSM committee
• SB2956 (Mental illness; Firearms surrender) passed unamended by PSM committee
• SB2950 (Rapback System) passed unamended by PSM committee
• HB2629 (Rapback System) passed with amendments by PBS committee
• HB2632 (Mental Illness, Firearm seizure) decision making on Friday 2/12/2016 11:30am in conference room 329.

Guys, this year is not time to sit back.

Sorry guys, I must admit I failed to get organized in time to submit testimony. I thought work might be slow enough but it was busy.

Thank you so much though JI808 for this type of organization, and please continue to keep us informed of when testimony as needed.

If the window opens back up on any of these bills, please let me know!

Reading further about the bill, I am trying to find out what happens to the firearms that are immediately confiscated by the police department? For people who have a TRO, the firearms are held by the police department until the TRO period is over. But if the police department were to immediately seize the firearms it does not say what happens to the seized firearms. Are they held until the person can be treated and again apply for permits or acquire? Are they held for a period of time while the individual can appeal through a court of law? The worst case scenario is if they would legally be allowed to destroy them immediately. You might win on appeal through the courts but at that point the guns are gone!
And not even the chance to sell them to an FFL either?

Sorry guys, I must admit I failed to get organized in time to submit testimony. I thought work might be slow enough but it was busy.

Thank you so much though JI808 for this type of organization, and please continue to keep us informed of when testimony as needed.

If the window opens back up on any of these bills, please let me know!

Even if you don't have time to give a full testimony, you could just hit the oppose or support buttons on the website.  There is no need for a full testimony or reasons why you support or oppose.  It will still be logged and reported to the committee. 

Apparently the system is still taking testimony on the senate version and I submitted mine! Mine might not make it in time to be considered though it says. I did not see mine posted in the page showing all the submitted testimony. On a good note, there were a lot of testimonies that said "oppose"

I think next time we should post on the firearms section of Facebook the links and an explanation of how easy it is to submit testimony.

23-24 oppose to 2 or 3 support....  still passed committee?  WTF is wrong with these legislators? I know...... they aren't scared because no one freaking votes them out!  /rant

23-24 oppose to 2 or 3 support....  still passed committee?  WTF is wrong with these legislators? I know...... they aren't scared because no one freaking votes them out!  /rant

We have to remember, there is an agenda. Obama has said that this will be the year of gun control and he plans to "leave it all on the table".

He's a lame duck, so he's basically bullet proof, and doesn't care what people think.

We know the legislators here are his sycophants, and they too feel that they're bullet proof. Until that changes, nothing else will.

Are you serious?!  Is there a place we can view the play by play of these bills?  Something more than what's on the hawaii.gov

Unfortunately, the only place this would be is showing up in person at the committee hearings.  Even though the senate PSM committee passed SB2956 (Mental illness; Firearms surrender), there's still a slim chance that it can be defeated in the house.

The house version of the bill HB2632 (Mental Illness, Firearm seizure) is up for decision making by HLT committee today Friday 2/12/2016 11:30am in conference room 329.

HLT Committee http://capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=HLT&year=2016 (Au Belatti, F)

It's important that these legislators hear from you now before they vote at 11:30 am today.  Please be respectful when talking with them (don't threaten them) and thank them for their vote against this bill.

Della Au Belatti, House District 24 (Rating F)
808-586-9425
repbelatti@capitol.hawaii.gov

Richard Cregan, House District 5 (Rating ?)
808-586-9605
repcreagan@capitol.hawaii.gov

Mark Hashem, House District 18 (Rating A/B)
808-586-6510
rephashem@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Jo Jordan, House District 44 (Rating A)
808-586-8460
repjordan@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Bertrand Kobayashi, House District 19 (Rating A)
808-586-6310
repkobayashi@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Dee Morikawa, House District 16 (Rating ?)
808-586-6280
repmorikawa@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Marcus Oshiro, House District 46 (Rating A/B/C)
808-586-6700
repmoshiro@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Beth Fukumoto Chang, House District 36 (Rating C)
808-586-9460
repfukumoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Andria Tupola, House District 43  (Rating B)
808-586-8465
reptupola@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Everyone's email address: repbelatti@capitol.hawaii.gov, repcreagan@capitol.hawaii.gov, rephashem@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repjordan@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repkobayashi@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repmorikawa@Capitol.hawaii.gov, rephashem@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repfukumoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov, reptupola@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Do we just have to find the one that is for our district or can we email them all?

Do we just have to find the one that is for our district or can we email them all?

all, but note if you are in one of their districts