ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database? (Read 19369 times)

Jl808

On Thursday 2/11 1:15pm, PSM committee is also having a hearing on a couple of bills that will share the firearms registration records with the Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center.  What do you guys think? 

SB2954 - Firearms; Registration; Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center; Database Management
Authorizes the Hawaii criminal justice data center to access firearm registration data.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2954

SB2960 - Criminal History Record Checks; Police Department; Rap Back Program; Firearm Possession
Allows the county police departments to receive notification if a new applicant who is granted a permit to possess a firearm is arrested for a criminal offense anywhere in the country.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2960

Deadline for submitting online testimony is tomorrow Wednesday 1:15pm. Please testify.
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macsak

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2016, 11:08:23 AM »
On Thursday 2/11 1:15pm, PSM committee is also having a hearing on a couple of bills that will share the firearms registration records with the Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center.  What do you guys think? 

SB2954 - Firearms; Registration; Hawaii Criminal Justice Data Center; Database Management
Authorizes the Hawaii criminal justice data center to access firearm registration data.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2954

SB2960 - Criminal History Record Checks; Police Department; Rap Back Program; Firearm Possession
Allows the county police departments to receive notification if a new applicant who is granted a permit to possess a firearm is arrested for a criminal offense anywhere in the country.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2960

Deadline for submitting online testimony is tomorrow Wednesday 1:15pm. Please testify.

more bills that are, on the surface, difficult to oppose
we have to be careful that nothing gets past our notice
and ALWAYS remember that a bill can get changed significantly in crossover/conference committee (without public comment)

edster48

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2016, 12:37:59 PM »
Since all legal firearms are registered, and if someone gets arrested they can check to see if the offender has guns, why should the rest of us be registered in a "criminal" database?  I'll be testifying against this.
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z06psi

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2016, 03:40:42 PM »
Retirement can come soon enough so I can leave this place.  This type of stuff is really screwed up.  Decent law abiding citizens are subjected to a microscope and the Police can run a muck with no consequences.

RookWorx

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2016, 04:18:21 PM »
As long as it doesn't over reach! Or have any funky hidden shit in it! I have no problem with them checking criminal history against Firearms reg. and no problem with crime reporting back to Hawaii! You rob a gas station in Mississippi you shouldn't own a gun in Hawaii!

edster48

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2016, 06:07:45 PM »
As long as it doesn't over reach! Or have any funky hidden shit in it! I have no problem with them checking criminal history against Firearms reg. and no problem with crime reporting back to Hawaii! You rob a gas station in Mississippi you shouldn't own a gun in Hawaii!

This is overreach.
They want to register ALL firearms owners into a CRIMINAL DATABASE. There is no need for it as the law already requires convicted felons to either surrender their guns or have them confiscated. The county police forces on all islands have all the access they need to perform this task.

As far as SB 2960, it represents a backhanded attempt at national firearms registration. Not by registering firearms, but their owners. There is without a doubt a similar measure being introduced in every state legislature, if they don't already have it.

These bills have "Funky shit" written right on the cover page.
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edster48

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2016, 06:10:17 PM »
Oh yeah, DONE.   :grrr:
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Heavies

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2016, 07:18:06 PM »
The law already requires that a convicted felon surrender all firearms or have them confiscated.  Police departments have access to such knowledge and should be using such public databases to do their background checks and process.  Thus, keeping weapons out of the hands of criminals.  Data basing private firearms owners, who have no criminal record, nor conviction of felonious activities, should not be treated as such.  Logging and data basing on the grounds of 'being a gun owner' is a huge infringement of law abiding citizen's privacy, and in my humble opinion, VERY unconstitutional.  Please focus laws on catching, prosecuting, and punishing CRIMINALS, not the law abiding gun owners.   Thank You.

RookWorx

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2016, 07:20:47 PM »
This is overreach.
They want to register ALL firearms owners into a CRIMINAL DATABASE. There is no need for it as the law already requires convicted felons to either surrender their guns or have them confiscated. The county police forces on all islands have all the access they need to perform this task.

As far as SB 2960, it represents a backhanded attempt at national firearms registration. Not by registering firearms, but their owners. There is without a doubt a similar measure being introduced in every state legislature, if they don't already have it.

These bills have "Funky shit" written right on the cover page.

I must have missed the part where they want to compile firearm owners into a criminal data base?? I've read it over a few times to see if i missed anything the law is written in a manner for them to have access to the information. As you stated they already have the info it doesn't expose firearms owners anymore than we already are living in the Liberal state of Hawaii. As for SB2960 The Rap back program is not a veiled attempt at a "National Gun Reg". The Rap back program is a long standing program many states use for data sharing. They use it for a variety of occupations and positions from School Teachers and Public Library workers that have contact with young kids to Human Services employees to Executive Officers appointed to banks. Its a way for criminal history to be shared among different states. That way when a dude gets charged for sex crimes against children ....He ca't get on a plane and get a job as a teacher in Hawaii! As i stated before if you go and get charged for beating the shit out of your girl and terrorist threatening or Armed robbery you shouldn't be able to come to Hawaii and own a firearm. We as firearm owners don't need individuals like that owning a gun it only reflects poorly back on us as a whole. Now some will say ya but when you get your permit HPD does the FBI NICS check before issuing you and that would show any crime and you'd be right but not totally. State and local police are not required to submit criminal-record data to the FBI and the way Hawaii's system is set up its only done once a year! Unlike other states where every time you buy a firearm ...well from an FFL your ran through FBI's NICS data base. Again the SB2960 is permitting our local PD to receive notification if your arrested in another state. At which point they look at the Offenses you have been arrested for and charged with. I have read through both bills and don't see anything to get my panties in a bunch about! What has our Hawaii Rifle Association said about this subject? I am not a lawyer and i can't say i understand the language that bills are written in so if i have missed anything please set me straight! If there is anything funky in there I will be right next to ya brother protesting it!!

eyeeatingfish

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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2016, 04:53:09 AM »
I think this is redundant in that if a law enforcement officer wanted to investigate these things, they can already. The synchronization of data just makes it easier which might things more efficient. I don't mind the proposal insofar as I am correct on my understanding that nothing really changes in terms of what law enforcement officers know.

Heavies

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2016, 09:08:11 AM »
IMO, a feel good law that spends more money, on a process of thorough investigation that is and should be already being used, and does nothing to curb criminals.   Yet another piece that will waste tax money, on an issue that is already addressed.

All this does no real good, but just to pander to the democratic base, and appease the noisy minority.

hvybarrels

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2016, 11:02:20 AM »
Here's the deal. People are ready for an outright revolt against the Democratic party in Hawaii. They are scared for their political lives, so they are going to keep pushing these populist non-issues in an attempt to appear to be doing their jobs. The problems of wealth inequality, homelessness, and corruption won't be addressed but they hope this will be enough to make their problems go away in November. It's a great opportunity for outsider candidates, and as the gentrification continues and critical infrastructure fails the opportunities will increase.

So if managing a crumbling concrete jungle infested by increasingly violent psychotic illiterates is your thing, there's never a better time to start declaring your candidacy. Even if people don't like you, they hate the status quo more.
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Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2016, 01:55:29 PM »
Question. Is the HRA or HDF 2nd amendment organizations doing or saying anything?
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RookWorx

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2016, 05:07:55 PM »
I think this is redundant in that if a law enforcement officer wanted to investigate these things, they can already. The synchronization of data just makes it easier which might things more efficient. I don't mind the proposal insofar as I am correct on my understanding that nothing really changes in terms of what law enforcement officers know.

Yes as far as i read your understanding is correct! This just makes it so if a crime is committed they are notified! plain and simple! As far as i understand! lol

RookWorx

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2016, 05:08:49 PM »
Question. Is the HRA or HDF 2nd amendment organizations doing or saying anything?

Good question!? Lets hear it HRA and HDF. I know those kats got to have a 2A account!

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2016, 05:28:06 PM »
If any of you are paying these organizations, check their websites because i think did not see these important issues on their website being posted.
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RookWorx

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2016, 05:40:05 PM »
If any of you are paying these organizations, check their websites because i think did not see these important issues on their website being posted.

Ya your right on HRA The latest Legislative News is 2013?? WTF

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2016, 05:44:37 PM »
Sad right??!?! Smh looks like someones "asleep at the wheel"
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Heavies

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2016, 05:52:29 PM »
Let's try not to turn this into a HRA bashing.  They are there working, and it is just as important to support them. 

The time is now for YOU, as an individual, to speak up and oppose any antigun legislation that arises.  They work for us at those hearings, when we all cannot attend.  The individual testifier carries as much weight, many be more, than a HRA representative's testimony.  Both are equal and important if we want our rights to remain.

Stay on top of this and submit YOUR individual testimony.  Even if you disagree with some of us on the issue here, submit 'comments only', but please suggest to these lawmakers, many of whom have not clue one of firearms acquisition and/or usage, a better way for the law to be written, as to preserve our rights to self defense.

Remember most of them know very little or nothing about this topic that they are trying to legislate upon.

RookWorx

Re: ASAP! Firearms registrations sharing with Hawaii Criminal JDC database?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2016, 06:07:19 PM »
Let's try not to turn this into a HRA bashing.  They are there working, and it is just as important to support them. 

The time is now for YOU, as an individual, to speak up and oppose any antigun legislation that arises.  They work for us at those hearings, when we all cannot attend.  The individual testifier carries as much weight, many be more, than a HRA representative's testimony.  Both are equal and important if we want our rights to remain.

Stay on top of this and submit YOUR individual testimony.  Even if you disagree with some of us on the issue here, submit 'comments only', but please suggest to these lawmakers, many of whom have not clue one of firearms acquisition and/or usage, a better way for the law to be written, as to preserve our rights to self defense.

Remember most of them know very little or nothing about this topic that they are trying to legislate upon.
OOh i hear ya brother but last up date to a website 2013 Sorry homie Not laying down on that! Keeping the community informed is just as important as them representing us at these hearings! I ain't blasting them just saying someones dropping the ball use to get Alerts via email from Mrs Shaw but last one i received was back in NOV!