Oakland (Read 14909 times)

hvybarrels

Oakland
« on: October 27, 2011, 01:17:01 AM »
Looks an awful lot like Greece or Egypt these days, yeah?
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Kingkeoni

Re: Oakland
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2011, 07:14:42 AM »
Go Raiders!  :crazy:
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GZire

Re: Oakland
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2011, 07:51:55 AM »
Got any extra tinfoil King?

Kingkeoni

Re: Oakland
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 07:57:52 AM »
Got any extra tinfoil King?

I prefer aluminum.

The neuro connectors tend to be hindered by the density of the aluminum at a far more efficient rate than with tin.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Cougar8045

Re: Oakland
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 11:06:05 AM »
Got any extra tinfoil King?

I prefer aluminum.

The neuro connectors tend to be hindered by the density of the aluminum at a far more efficient rate than with tin.
I wear neither, since tinfoil hats are actually a government conspiracy to amplify the signals and focus them into your brain. 
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hvybarrels

Re: Oakland
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 12:37:42 PM »
Got any extra tinfoil King?

I prefer aluminum.

The neuro connectors tend to be hindered by the density of the aluminum at a far more efficient rate than with tin.
I wear neither, since tinfoil hats are actually a government conspiracy to amplify the signals and focus them into your brain.


OMG stop reading my mind!
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hvybarrels

Re: Oakland
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2011, 12:49:10 PM »
Seriously thought it's very encouraging to see lots of municipalities go from crackdown to backdown overnight after that marine got his skull smashed by a police projectile (and then had a flash grenade go off next to him while people were trying to help). You may not be a big fan of OWS but they made some real progress for 1a yesterday.

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bass monkey

Re: Oakland
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2011, 01:37:07 PM »
Seriously thought it's very encouraging to see lots of municipalities go from crackdown to backdown overnight after that marine got his skull smashed by a police projectile (and then had a flash grenade go off next to him while people were trying to help). You may not be a big fan of OWS but they made some real progress for 1a yesterday.




Thanks for the link.  I had no idea what you were talking about when you first started this thread.  So the marine got shot?  Was he doing anything wrong


Edit: tried to watch the video but need to upgrade software or some shit.  Anywho people were protesting, it got violent and the guy got hurt.  Its all fun and games till someone gets hurt. 
I guess the bigger question is, are you willing to die fighting for your cause?

Alex Europa

Re: Oakland
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2011, 02:56:39 PM »
Seriously thought it's very encouraging to see lots of municipalities go from crackdown to backdown overnight after that marine got his skull smashed by a police projectile (and then had a flash grenade go off next to him while people were trying to help). You may not be a big fan of OWS but they made some real progress for 1a yesterday.



I'm not really sure what you're getting at and I'm borderline pissed off by your statement. Here is my interpretation of a combination of this post and others you have made recently, "OWS is completely peaceful until the government sends in paid instigators, which then allows the police to escalate force. Which caused a Marine to be injured yesterday in Oakland. And as a result of yesterday's government-instigated violence, the cities have backed off and OWS has made great leaps for people to utilize their 1st amendment rights to "peacefully" protest."

Please tell me that I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.

- Alex

Funtimes

Re: Oakland
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2011, 06:47:33 PM »
Seriously thought it's very encouraging to see lots of municipalities go from crackdown to backdown overnight after that marine got his skull smashed by a police projectile (and then had a flash grenade go off next to him while people were trying to help). You may not be a big fan of OWS but they made some real progress for 1a yesterday.



I'm not really sure what you're getting at and I'm borderline pissed off by your statement. Here is my interpretation of a combination of this post and others you have made recently, "OWS is completely peaceful until the government sends in paid instigators, which then allows the police to escalate force. Which caused a Marine to be injured yesterday in Oakland. And as a result of yesterday's government-instigated violence, the cities have backed off and OWS has made great leaps for people to utilize their 1st amendment rights to "peacefully" protest."

Please tell me that I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.

- Alex

I didn't get that from his post. The officer who tossed that last flash bang, should be punished accordingly. He knew (or should have known) that there was an injured person that people were attempting to assist, and then threw a flash bang right into them. His or her actions were nothing short of reckless.
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Alex Europa

Re: Oakland
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2011, 07:47:02 PM »
Sigh. His post had nothing to do with the one officer (who I agree SHOULD be held accountable for his actions). He is currently on a cute little anti-government denunciation...I don't know if he is a legitimate wack job, a troll, or for some reason just decided that he wants to try something new. Either way, it makes this forum (which the "average person" probably already thinks is a little loony) look like a bunch of camo wearin' hide out in the woods wanna be Rambo militia types. If no one calls him out on it, then we have nothing to stand on.

I can already see the State Attorney bringing this up at your trial, "Mr. Baker, isn't it true that you're a Moderator on a local gun-rights forum called 2aHawaii?" "Yes." "Isn't also true that there is a deep anti-government bias on that forum as indicated by posts x, y, and z?" "No." "No? Well, I turn the jury's attention to defense exhibit #_."

Thanks for the bambuster heads up. Live streaming is the way to go, but can't be 100% relied on now that wireless networks and internet censorship is taking off on it's latest nefarious phase. Also don't believe the hype on the Seattle protests. There were widespread reports of provocateur actions that let the cops off the leash and turned a peaceful protest into a riot. Do not be fooled that it cannot happen here. I might be called in to work during APEC but seriously considering taking an outer islands trip instead. USA is falling apart and needs another war to maintain status quo now that we are supposedly out of Iraq in 2 months. They already allowed one Pearl Harbor to happen here in order to pull us into ww2 and I don't want to be standing around when history repeats itself.

As you can see, he is implying that the government is trying to cause riots to happen (it is common on anti-government blogs to see claims of undercover police acting as provocateur agents and inciting violence, yet there is never any video evidence that they are the ones causing the trouble. Are there UC cops in the crowds during these events? Absolutely, but every video exposing the UC cops shows them being called out BEFORE the violence starts. If what they say is actually true, then with all of the cameras and anti-government types at these protests, I find it absurd that there is ZERO video footage of what they claim.), apparently because of the drawdown in Iraq. By that inference, I read his post in this thread to be about much more than just the single officer. I take offense to the fact that he seems to be claiming that the police WANT riots to happen so that they can hurt people ("let off their leash" as if they are rabid dogs).

Hell, he even admitted in the other thread that he is deliberately posting conspiracy crap on here...you guys can believe whatever you want, but it seems pretty damn clear to me.

EDIT TO ADD: I'm really pissed at all of the ass-clowns who spend every waking second bashing the military, yet the SECOND something happens to one of us, they hold him up as a freaking martyr (read: use him) for their cause. Yes, the officer deserves to be punished, but this Marine vs. the Government shit has to stop. It is EXACTLY what the conspiracy nuts and anarchists want to see happen. Believe me, I'm the last person to be exalting the joys and praises of our government, but THIS ISSUE isn't about the government, so let's not make it one.

- Alex
« Last Edit: October 27, 2011, 07:55:50 PM by Alex Europa »

Heavies

Re: Oakland
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 04:28:08 AM »
I'm still on the opinion that the occupy people are mostly a bunch of folks that do not have a real point or agenda.  And just because mommy and daddy paid for their college degree or is kicking them out of the basement, they expect that the hardworking folks need to give them a $100K job and give them a free ride.  Screew that, start from the bottom and work your way up!

They go out, make a mess, start unrest with a bunch of anti-America sentiment and racism, and expect that the REAL taxpaying America is going to clean up their mess, as usual...   And call it 1A??

I think that the real majority of hard working American middle class Is sick of this.  I know I am.

Cougar8045

Re: Oakland
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2011, 04:40:09 AM »
I'm still on the opinion that the occupy people are mostly a bunch of folks that do not have a real point or agenda.  And just because mommy and daddy paid for their college degree or is kicking them out of the basement, they expect that the hardworking folks need to give them a $100K job and give them a free ride.  Screew that, start from the bottom and work your way up!

They go out, make a mess, start unrest with a bunch of anti-America sentiment and racism, and expect that the REAL taxpaying America is going to clean up their mess, as usual...   And call it 1A??

I think that the real majority of hard working American middle class Is sick of this.  I know I am.
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42itus

Re: Oakland
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2011, 11:37:56 PM »
I'm still on the opinion that the occupy people are mostly a bunch of folks that do not have a real point or agenda.  And just because mommy and daddy paid for their college degree or is kicking them out of the basement, they expect that the hardworking folks need to give them a $100K job and give them a free ride.  Screew that, start from the bottom and work your way up!

They go out, make a mess, start unrest with a bunch of anti-America sentiment and racism, and expect that the REAL taxpaying America is going to clean up their mess, as usual...   And call it 1A??

I think that the real majority of hard working American middle class Is sick of this.  I know I am.
You need to check www.the53.tumblr.com!

great link.  I sleep in the bed I make and if it sucks it's on me to make it better.

hvybarrels

Re: Oakland
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2011, 12:55:23 AM »
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It's not about anti-government sentiments, but economic justice. There is a tiny percentage of the population that plays by a different set of rules than the rest of us and now the world economy is starting to shut down because there is nothing left for them to steal. The only reason you aren't supporting the protestors is because you still believe the fiction that you can become one of the rich guys some day if you play by the rules, but with every passing day the middle class that made this country great is withering away and the fantasy that the networks have been spinning will be exposed for the naked lies that they are. One day soon you will come to accept this. Until then feel free to call me all the names that you want, because the more shrill your attacks on me the more reasonable I sound. I'm in no rush. Time is on my side.
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Alex Europa

Re: Oakland
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2011, 01:34:12 AM »
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It's not about anti-government sentiments, but economic justice. There is a tiny percentage of the population that plays by a different set of rules than the rest of us and now the world economy is starting to shut down because there is nothing left for them to steal. The only reason you aren't supporting the protestors is because you still believe the fiction that you can become one of the rich guys some day if you play by the rules, but with every passing day the middle class that made this country great is withering away and the fantasy that the networks have been spinning will be exposed for the naked lies that they are. One day soon you will come to accept this. Until then feel free to call me all the names that you want, because the more shrill your attacks on me the more reasonable I sound. I'm in no rush. Time is on my side.

You couldn't be farther from the truth. I (and others here) are Enlisted men of the military. Have you looked at the pay scales lately? And we do this voluntarily, because we love our country and the constitution.

Speaking of the small percentage of rich, maybe you want to look onto the relationship between George Soros and OWS.

- Alex

42itus

Re: Oakland
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2011, 01:45:12 AM »
I'm curious, does anyone know what OWS suggests as a "solution" to their perceived "problem"?

Alex Europa

Re: Oakland
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2011, 01:53:49 AM »
There definitely is a problem, but of OWS has a solution, I haven't heard it.

- Alex

42itus

Re: Oakland
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2011, 02:07:45 AM »
There definitely is a problem, but of OWS has a solution, I haven't heard it.

- Alex

You're right, there's definitely a problem.  IMO, the problem isn't the "tiny percentage of the population that plays by different rules", it's the ones in government that deems that an entity is "too big to fail".  If I were in charge of a company that is too big to fail, why wouldn't I continue to risk it all if there is in fact no risk?  Anyway,  I'm more interested in a solution than a protest. 

antoinebugleboy

Re: Oakland
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2011, 02:57:05 AM »
I highly recommend watching this all the way through and finding out more about Peter Schiff.

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