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Art and Magnum
« on: November 08, 2011, 05:25:40 AM »
I heard that Art was convicted on all tax evasion charges. Is this true?
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2011, 06:00:03 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 06:29:22 AM »
Wow, that's big news.  Had no idea, the investigations had to be going on for many years before it got to this point, perhaps that was the reason for his disposition in the shop, he must have been going thru a lot.  In any case unfortunate and somewhat tragic for our 2A community...
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Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 06:47:46 AM »
Now that he will be a felon. Can he still own the store and take no part in running the business and remove his name from the FFL to keep the store open or does he have to sell it because he would have accesss to the firearms.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 07:06:46 AM »
Quote from: swissk31 on November 08, 2011, 06:47:46 AM
Now that he will be a felon. Can he still own the store and take no part in running the business and remove his name from the FFL to keep the store open or does he have to sell it because he would have accesss to the firearms.

I've heard that he has already transferred ownership of the guns to his employee.

I haven't confirmed this yet but it's what I heard.
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Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2011, 07:39:26 AM »
It will be interesting to see what will happen.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2011, 09:22:41 AM »
Quote from: Kingkeoni on November 08, 2011, 06:00:03 AM
Quote from: swissk31 on November 08, 2011, 05:25:40 AM
I heard that Art was convicted on all tax evasion charges. Is this true?

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/hawaiinews/20111108_Gun_dealer_convicted_of_fraud_conspiracy_income_tax_evasion.html?id=133421903

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Gun dealer convicted of fraud conspiracy, income tax evasion

By Nelson Daranciang
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Nov 08, 2011

Arthur Lee Ong's career as one of the state's biggest gun dealers is over, his lawyer said Monday after a jury in federal court found Ong guilty of conspiracy to defraud the government and failing to file income tax returns on time from 2000 to 2006.

Ong, 53, faces up to five years in prison for the conspiracy and each of six counts for the tax returns when he is sentenced in March. At that time he will become a convicted felon and be prohibited from possessing or owning a firearm.

Ong owns Magnum Firearms in Kakaako, which has long provided firearms and related products and services to the military, state and local law enforcement agencies and consumers.

The government says Ong conspired with convicted tax protester Royal LaMarr Hardy and Hawaii island lawyer Paul Sulla to evade paying taxes and stop filing individual income tax returns since 1994.

The prosecution said Ong set up sham trusts into which he diverted his earnings to evade paying income taxes. The government says Ong controlled the trusts and used money from the accounts to pay for personal expenses, including buying luxury cars and real estate.

Ong said he relied on the advice of Sulla, to whom he was referred by Hardy, and that because of his limited education, he did not know he was breaking the law. He said he just wanted to set up the trusts to benefit the Hawaii Baptist Foundation, his alma mater, Hawaii Baptist Academy, and Olivet Baptist Church.

His lawyer, Robert Fricke, said Ong has since paid all the income taxes he owes, including interest and penalties.

Prosecutor Timothy Stockwell said the amount Ong paid was computed by his own expert, not the government's, and that he has yet to pay any back state income taxes.

Hardy and Sulla were not charged with any crimes and were identified in the indictment against Ong by their initials.

In 2005 Hardy was sentenced in federal court for wilfully failing to file income tax returns and conspiracy to defraud the U.S.
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GZire

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2011, 09:24:14 AM »
Quote from: HBS1 on November 08, 2011, 06:29:22 AM
Wow, that's big news.  Had no idea, the investigations had to be going on for many years before it got to this point, perhaps that was the reason for his disposition in the shop, he must have been going thru a lot.  In any case unfortunate and somewhat tragic for our 2A community...

I doubt that's the reason.  The way people describe his actions I wouldn't be surprised if he was manic.  It seems to fit his behavior.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2011, 10:07:42 AM »
Quote from: GZire on November 08, 2011, 09:24:14 AM
Quote from: HBS1 on November 08, 2011, 06:29:22 AM
Wow, that's big news.  Had no idea, the investigations had to be going on for many years before it got to this point, perhaps that was the reason for his disposition in the shop, he must have been going thru a lot.  In any case unfortunate and somewhat tragic for our 2A community...


What is tragic is that it went on for so long and cost taxpayers even more money.
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AWS-GTAW

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2011, 10:36:52 AM »
I would see the guy brain from Magnum at hpd doing the registrations for there guns. So I am guessing the ffl was transferred to him.
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Kingkeoni

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2011, 10:39:37 AM »
Quote from: AWS-GTAW on November 08, 2011, 10:36:52 AM
I would see the guy brain from Magnum at hpd doing the registrations for there guns. So I am guessing the ffl was transferred to him.

He is smart but his name is Brian
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Mr. Farknocker

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2011, 01:37:09 PM »
The government calls it "conspiracy". Others call it a decision not to pay taxes that they consider "unconstitutional". In any event, there have been (and still are) a number of "consumer advocacy" groups out there that advocate the non-payment of taxes (or even mortgages) or promote other methods of legitimately avoiding the payment of taxes. Some of them even charge fees for their assistance in helping you avoid payment.  It's not difficult to sell an idea that is seemingly strange to the average person, to people who are upset at the way the government operates or uses their tax dollars. Unfortunately, some people find out the hard way that the advice or idea that they bought doesn't work and that the penalty is more than a financial one. Although Art's case fits, I'm not suggesting that this is what actually happened since I do not know the details of his case.  I'm simply raising the fact that it does and continues to occur.
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hvybarrels

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2011, 01:41:55 PM »
it's not like he was passing on the savings to his customers or anything
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vooduchikn

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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2011, 01:45:18 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on November 08, 2011, 01:41:55 PM
it's not like he was passing on the savings to his customers or anything

Isn't that the truth.

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Jkeone808

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 05:04:47 PM »
Quote from: vooduchikn on November 08, 2011, 10:07:42 AM
Quote from: GZire on November 08, 2011, 09:24:14 AM
Quote from: HBS1 on November 08, 2011, 06:29:22 AM
Wow, that's big news.  Had no idea, the investigations had to be going on for many years before it got to this point, perhaps that was the reason for his disposition in the shop, he must have been going thru a lot.  In any case unfortunate and somewhat tragic for our 2A community...


What is tragic is that it went on for so long and cost taxpayers even more money.

Exactly
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GZire

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2011, 05:31:05 PM »
Quote from: Jkeone808 on November 08, 2011, 05:04:47 PM
Quote from: vooduchikn on November 08, 2011, 10:07:42 AM
Quote from: GZire on November 08, 2011, 09:24:14 AM
Quote from: HBS1 on November 08, 2011, 06:29:22 AM
Wow, that's big news.  Had no idea, the investigations had to be going on for many years before it got to this point, perhaps that was the reason for his disposition in the shop, he must have been going thru a lot.  In any case unfortunate and somewhat tragic for our 2A community...


What is tragic is that it went on for so long and cost taxpayers even more money.

Exactly


Mean..........I got double phantom quoted.
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nf9648

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2011, 06:31:46 PM »
I wonder if he will start his Volkswagen parts business again after his fed time?
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Art and Magnum
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2011, 06:39:17 PM »
So the front window will get smashed weekly. Well that's what VW guys at the track told me when he used to sell VW parts.
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42itus

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2011, 09:51:30 PM »
I wonder if this means the shopping experience will change at all.
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Tom_G

Re: Art and Magnum
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2011, 02:31:06 PM »
Quote from: 42itus on November 08, 2011, 09:51:30 PM
I wonder if this means the shopping experience will change at all.

I doubt it.  The employees there have been steeped in years of the "screw you, we don't need you" policy.
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