New AR Binary Trigger (Read 47452 times)

ren

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2016, 08:37:04 AM »
I wouldn't chance it.
To me a single function is the complete cycle, so trigger pull and trigger release. The trigger is spring loaded so it is going to return automatically, you aren't forcing it to return. 

Realistically it probably will never come up, but I won't chance it for a product I don't think that great anyway. Take the risk if you want but I think people should be aware this is in a gray area.

Fortunately you are not the ATF or authority on this matter
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omnigun

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2016, 09:30:20 AM »
I wouldn't chance it.
To me a single function is the complete cycle, so trigger pull and trigger release. The trigger is spring loaded so it is going to return automatically, you aren't forcing it to return. 

Realistically it probably will never come up, but I won't chance it for a product I don't think that great anyway. Take the risk if you want but I think people should be aware this is in a gray area.

Once the ATF approves and has a letter of approval its basically set in stone. This binary trigger is 100% legal.  Unless a state or the fed bans it specifically.

z06psi

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2016, 09:42:28 AM »
Once the ATF approves and has a letter of approval its basically set in stone. This binary trigger is 100% legal.  Unless a state or the fed bans it specifically.

Couldn't agree more.  If the state bans it then I will just ship it out of here with the rest of the stuff I can't have in this liberal paradise.

Mr. Farknocker

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2016, 01:45:38 PM »
Ok, who's brave enough to try one of these puppies with a slide fire stock?

omnigun

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2016, 02:05:42 PM »
Ok, who's brave enough to try one of these puppies with a slide fire stock?

You are already maxing out the fire of the gun with one of these.  A bump fire wont really do much.

eyeeatingfish

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2016, 07:58:19 PM »
Fortunately you are not the ATF or authority on this matter

I quoted Hawaii law, not federal law. I specifically said that there could be an issue with Hawaii law so quoting the ATF doesn't solve the issue I raise.

dogman

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2016, 08:09:22 PM »
 :-\ The trigger has a serial number. . . why?  ???

ren

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2016, 08:23:13 PM »
:-\ The trigger has a serial number. . . why?  ???

Geiselles have them too - for QC.
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macsak

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2016, 08:30:55 PM »
I quoted Hawaii law, not federal law. I specifically said that there could be an issue with Hawaii law so quoting the ATF doesn't solve the issue I raise.

i believe the federal law says the exact same thing as hawaii law...

ren

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2016, 08:38:52 PM »
I quoted Hawaii law, not federal law. I specifically said that there could be an issue with Hawaii law so quoting the ATF doesn't solve the issue I raise.

what HRS is this?
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suka

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2016, 12:43:53 PM »
Both Laws are written exactly the same


26 USC 5845(b)
Machinegun
The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

HRS 134-1
Automatic firearm
"Automatic firearms" means any firearm that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily modified to shoot automatically more than one shot, without a manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

macsak

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2016, 12:46:51 PM »
Both Laws are written exactly the same


26 USC 5845(b)
Machinegun
The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

HRS 134-1
Automatic firearm
"Automatic firearms" means any firearm that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily modified to shoot automatically more than one shot, without a manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

#mikedrop

ren

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2016, 12:57:46 PM »
I quoted Hawaii law, not federal law. I specifically said that there could be an issue with Hawaii law so quoting the ATF doesn't solve the issue I raise.

Both Laws are written exactly the same


26 USC 5845(b)
Machinegun
The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

HRS 134-1
Automatic firearm
"Automatic firearms" means any firearm that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily modified to shoot automatically more than one shot, without a manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.






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omnigun

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2016, 03:04:40 PM »
And with that I have my Fostech trigger ordered. 

eyeeatingfish

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2016, 07:28:07 PM »
Both Laws are written exactly the same


26 USC 5845(b)
Machinegun
The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

HRS 134-1
Automatic firearm
"Automatic firearms" means any firearm that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily modified to shoot automatically more than one shot, without a manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

Ok, fair enough.

But my follow up question is this: Do you trust local prosecutors to interpret the law in line with the way the feds do?

Our 2nd amendment in Hawaii is worded the same as the US constitution with one small word difference yet federal gun rights and Hawaii gun rights are very different.

Like I said, I don't think it will ever come up, but just want to throw that out there for consideration.

omnigun

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2016, 08:15:54 PM »
Ok, fair enough.

But my follow up question is this: Do you trust local prosecutors to interpret the law in line with the way the feds do?

Our 2nd amendment in Hawaii is worded the same as the US constitution with one small word difference yet federal gun rights and Hawaii gun rights are very different.

Like I said, I don't think it will ever come up, but just want to throw that out there for consideration.

Federal ruling > Hawaii ruling.  If the fed makes a rule and the state makes a rule against that rule.  The federal rule wins out always without question. 

macsak

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2016, 09:03:52 PM »

eyeeatingfish

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2016, 01:58:39 AM »
Federal ruling > Hawaii ruling.  If the fed makes a rule and the state makes a rule against that rule.  The federal rule wins out always without question.

Not quite how that works. If that logic held then no state could make more strict gun laws than federal gun laws. Example, silencers are legal to purchase with a federal tax stamp, but Hawaii says no.

omnigun

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2016, 10:22:01 AM »
Double post
« Last Edit: March 26, 2016, 10:27:23 AM by omnigun »

omnigun

Re: New AR Binary Trigger
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2016, 10:25:40 AM »

Silencers are legal but are regulated by federal law and on a state-by-state basis. (National Firearms Act” (NFA))  Because of this states are free to do as they please.  Our state chooses to ban it.   Like comon a quick google would prevent all your false statements.