It is my belief that IF we could register  firearms at the time of purchase it would have a who bunch of positive effects on firearms users in Hawaii,

The process would work as follows:
You go the the PD to apply for your permit , If you would like to pick it up after 14 days you can, If not you can have it mailed to you, (this would probably add a few days)
You would then got to the FFL to pickup/purchase your firearm,  you would complete 1 extra form at the FFL for the registration who would then mail to HPD,

For private sales you would go to an FFL of your choice and complete a registration form, again the FFL would mail to the PD,

For out of state registration you would still be required to go to HPD because they require a background check.

This would result in
Shorter lines for permits, (people no longer in line to register)
Quicker, doing it at time of purchase would eliminate a trip to PD
Time is money, No longer have to spend an hour in line at PD,
More locations with better hours,
Safer, you no longer have to drive around with a firearm for no reason,
Injection of cash to local retailers, their was 22k  permit applications in 2014 @ $25 a go that would be over half a million dollars into the local economy, (This number does not include multiple rifle purchases)


What do you guys think ?

How about saving money by getting rid of registration.
Criminals don't...why should I? After all, they did a background check, while the typical armed robber hasn't gotten a permit to acquire.

How about saving money by getting rid of registration.
Criminals don't...why should I? After all, they did a background check, while the typical armed robber hasn't gotten a permit to acquire.

Wouldn't that be great ? But until SCOTUS rules registration unconstitutional its something we have to live with.  Im trying to look at ways to make it less painless abd before i start shooting off letters and e-mail I want to get the opinion of other firearm users.

So to clarify im asking would you be willing to pay, not do you thing you should have to register 

For helping the "state" to accomplish it's responsibility for securing public safety, I think they should pay me to own and constitutionally-carry an arm openly or concealed. Seriously.

Just so I understand:

Long Guns - only one trip to FFL is needed, registration is done at the time of purchase, no trip to HPD?

Pistols - everything would be done in one trip to the FFL, Permit to acquire, 2 week wait, pick up and registration?  I think this may have to be explained a little more in detail before I can tell if it's worth it.  Are you suggesting we do away with the current process entirely and do everything at once?

No 'cause why should I?

I agree with GZ why should I pay anything to exercise a constitutional right

So lets exercise some common sense.

There is what we want and then there is what is.

Do you honestly believe they are going to do away with registration? I don't, which is why I stopped fantasizing about impossible situations happening in the near future.

That being said, I would rather do the background check at the FFL, rather than waste hours out of my day standing in that line at HPD.

So lets exercise some common sense.

There is what we want and then there is what is.

Do you honestly believe they are going to do away with registration? I don't, which is why I stopped fantasizing about impossible situations happening in the near future.

That being said, I would rather do the background check at the FFL, rather than waste hours out of my day standing in that line at HPD.

I agree Q. With what we have sure Ill pay a "little" for the sake of convenience. Its like paying the "doc fee" at the car stealership.
Lets remember where we are with registration. Now they want to relate our registration information to a criminal database. With that in mind would any criminal go through all that? So what we have is a firearms registry of lawful citizens who have done NOTHING wrong.

I going to amend my original post to reflect the following,

My proposal would lead to the process being 1 trip to the PD for rifles per year and 1 trip to the PD for each pistol

You go the the PD to apply for your permit , If you would like to pick it up after 14 days you can, If not you can have it mailed to you, (this would probably add a few days)
You would then got to the FFL to pickup/purchase your firearm,  you would complete 1 extra form at the FFL for the registration who would then mail to HPD,

For private sales you would go to an FFL of your choice and complete a registration form, again the FFL would mail to the PD,

for out of state registration you would still be required to go to HPD because they require a background check.

My proposal would have a set fee attached to it charged by the FFL for the paperwork,

This process would eliminate 1 or 2 trips to PD, I do not believe they will ever give up their rights to issue permits (conduct background checks at point of sale) I do however believe that this proposal could move foward as it clearly demonstrate added benefits both financially and safety wise, 

So lets exercise some common sense.

There is what we want and then there is what is.

Do you honestly believe they are going to do away with registration? I don't, which is why I stopped fantasizing about impossible situations happening in the near future.

That being said, I would rather do the background check at the FFL, rather than waste hours out of my day standing in that line at HPD.

Do you honestly believe they are going to do away with their total control of every step of a laborious intrusive process to own a firearm in Hawaii? What would they (legislators, police departments) have to gain by relinquishing their authority? You see this as a "possible situation" happening in the (near) future? Why? On what basis or evidence?

...I do however believe that this proposal could move foward as it clearly demonstrate added benefits both financially and safety wise,

Could you please explain exactly what the financial and safety benefits would be?

Then if the firearm ended up being illegal, the FFL would face consequences?

The first objection I see HPD having is that they want to visually inspect the firearm to make sure it is legal.

Once you  pay the fee, gurans they will raise the fee.   

Do you honestly believe they are going to do away with their total control of every step of a laborious intrusive process to own a firearm in Hawaii? What would they (legislators, police departments) have to gain by relinquishing their authority? You see this as a "possible situation" happening in the (near) future? Why? On what basis or evidence?

Their is already case law (appeals court, DC) that states that requiring someone to bring their firearm to a police station to register it is unconstional, so yes I do see it as feasible that this could happen in the future.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/18/d-c-gun-registration-law-ruled-unconstitutional/


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Could you please explain exactly what the financial and safety benefits would be?

Finically, the county's  would save money by being able to reduce the number of officers service ing the firearms departments, if the forms were being colemeted by an FFL then the number of people needing service at the PD would decrease essentially by 50%, also by having the FFL's charge a fee their would also be increase tax revenue,  based on 2014 numbers around $25k not to mention the increased revenue for local buisniess and potential all for job growth,

Safety wise, people would not have to make an unnecessary trip to the PD, reducing the possibility of a firearm being lost or stolen, or being shot by an overselous police officer.

Then if the firearm ended up being illegal, the FFL would face consequences?

The first objection I see HPD having is that they want to visually inspect the firearm to make sure it is legal.

An FFL would already be criminally liable if they were selling firearms that are illegal in the state, HPD can object all they want, truth is you don't need to take in a whole firearm only the serialized reciver, in which case their point is mute.

As stated above case law shows that they can. Not require a visit unless there is a significant gain to public safety ( I want to see it is not a valid reason)

Once you  pay the fee, gurans they will raise the fee.

I don't see why they would they wouldent get any money from it, (other then tax). I could see many FFL's eating the fee to get you to buy from them.

Sorry for the. Ultimate replies, hard to do a multi quote post from an iPad,

If you guys vote please share your thoughts, it helps to get a better idea on what' people are thinking and helps to get ideas on how to move things forward,

While it is tempting to pay for the convenience, I reject the entire premise of paying to exercise my rights.  That precedence would open the door to tacking on never ending and ridiculous fees.  And as it is,  it is hard enough to get Hawaii gun peeps to be proactive in fighting for their rights.  If they make it easier, that will encourage this complacency and cause further, and less difficult, chipping of our rights until they are nothing....   JMHO