Hi,

Seems like more and more mags can fit into pistols. Getting rediculous. Whats next  if they make "pistol" version of the Mini 14's? M1As??

 I see several ways what can happen.

1 Pushing for and enacting a law to ban all mags over 10rds period. That means All  mags. Rifle and shotguns.

2 Revising the current law that says 10rds restriction are on mags for the pistol or  "A  P" that you have. If you have hi cap RIFLE or SHOTGUN mags that happen to fit in a pistol but you don't have the pistol  then its okay.


3 Or Repeal of that postion of the law so there is no restrictions.

No 3 is my choice but will be tough to do at this time.

I think the law makers really enjoy the "gray areas" of laws.

Essentially it means they can rule any way they want to as they see fit, depending on "who" is involved.

I think the law makers really enjoy the "gray areas" of laws.

Essentially it means they can rule any way they want to as they see fit, depending on "who" is involved.

A california law was shot down because they didn't specifically call out every gun that ammunition "primarily for use" in pistols was able to be used in.

start calling them standard capacity mags to change the mindset of people since they usually come from the factory.

I was reading on another forum that instead of trying to ban firearms, instead the government would keep raising the prices of ammo so few people could afford it.  Hahahahaa.  Not quite related, but yeah

I was reading on another forum that instead of trying to ban firearms, instead the government would keep raising the prices of ammo so few people could afford it.  Hahahahaa.  Not quite related, but yeah

Actually, it's very related.

Raise prices on ammo, charge ridiculous taxes on ammo, ban certain types of magazines and specific firearms.

It's all the same.

start calling them standard capacity mags to change the mindset of people since they usually come from the factory.

Yes - Hawaii prohibits standard capacity magazines.

Quote from: bass monkey on November 11, 2011, 08:02:23 PM

I was reading on another forum that instead of trying to ban firearms, instead the government would keep raising the prices of ammo so few people could afford it.  Hahahahaa.  Not quite related, but yeah

Actually, it's very related.

Raise prices on ammo, charge ridiculous taxes on ammo, ban certain types of magazines and specific firearms.

It's all the same.

That's exactly what the gun grabbers tried to do when they tried to use the EPA to regulate lead bullets.

Quote from: Kingkeoni on November 11, 2011, 08:21:30 PM

Quote from: bass monkey on November 11, 2011, 08:02:23 PM

I was reading on another forum that instead of trying to ban firearms, instead the government would keep raising the prices of ammo so few people could afford it.  Hahahahaa.  Not quite related, but yeah

Actually, it's very related.

Raise prices on ammo, charge ridiculous taxes on ammo, ban certain types of magazines and specific firearms.

It's all the same.

That's exactly what the gun grabbers tried to do when they tried to use the EPA to regulate lead bullets.

To which they were beat back horribly. Once the case in New York goes through on not being able to tax the right, you will probably see some fundamental changes. You can't force donations to a general fund,(*cough*: domestic violence victims fund or whatever it is) you could charge for the cost of running the registration and other divisions, but it can't be crazy fees.  What is crazy? We don't know yet.

Quote from: Cougar8045 on November 11, 2011, 10:22:19 PM

Quote from: Kingkeoni on November 11, 2011, 08:21:30 PM

Quote from: bass monkey on November 11, 2011, 08:02:23 PM

I was reading on another forum that instead of trying to ban firearms, instead the government would keep raising the prices of ammo so few people could afford it.  Hahahahaa.  Not quite related, but yeah

Actually, it's very related.

Raise prices on ammo, charge ridiculous taxes on ammo, ban certain types of magazines and specific firearms.

It's all the same.

That's exactly what the gun grabbers tried to do when they tried to use the EPA to regulate lead bullets.

To which they were beat back horribly. Once the case in New York goes through on not being able to tax the right, you will probably see some fundamental changes. You can't force donations to a general fund,(*cough*: domestic violence victims fund or whatever it is) you could charge for the cost of running the registration and other divisions, but it can't be crazy fees.  What is crazy? We don't know yet.

they also do other things like ban the sale of ammo w/i whatever arbitrary limits, restrict mail order deliveries by county or city, etc.   just look at California how screwed up it is. 

I think the law makers really enjoy the "gray areas" of laws.

Essentially it means they can rule any way they want to as they see fit, depending on "who" is involved.

You may be giving the lawmakers far too much credit for knowing their subject.  I think a lot of the laws/bills are arbitrary and written without much investigation, or impartial information.

Arbitrary, indeed.

under Hawaii law, the difference between a standard capacity magazine that fits a pistol and a standard capacity magazine that fits a NFA SBR is super gray as well.

Arbitrary, indeed.

under Hawaii law, the difference between a standard capacity magazine that fits a pistol and a standard capacity magazine that fits a NFA SBR is super gray as well.

This is the real problem. The law is so broad it encompasses many true rifles.  We need to have rifle defined in the law as a shoulder fired weapon designed to be held with two hands. Maybe we can get some of our senators to work on this the next session.

Just to remind you that the Hawaii State Legislature will be opening in January.

You can bet that the Anti 2A already have their list of things THEY want done.

If you're Not a registered voter, you don't matter to them.  If you are, they will pay attentention.

Afterwards, it is good to remember those that helped and those that didn't at the ballot box.

They All Need reminders of the 2nd Amemdment and Why it exists.