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Madosi

khsc review
« on: March 27, 2016, 08:24:51 AM »
Just a little review of my experience at koko head shooting complex. I liked it but it doesn't meet my needs but I appreciate it being there for the 2A community.
Positives:
Great Staff
Shooters who embody the aloha spirit
Free
Parking(Lots of it)
Low cost for pistol shooting

Negatives:
5 round limit on magazines
No quick follow up for shots
Range length

Overall I would recommend this range for all my civilian friends and military guys looking to zero, but I will continue to do most of.my shooting at puu'loa or kbay due to no mag limitation, follow up shots and able to push the gun out to 600+. This is in way a bad review about khsc as I would give it 4/5 stars and enjoyed my time at the range, just wasnt for me.

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zippz

Re: khsc review
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2016, 11:07:04 AM »
For the pistol, they could just remove the benches on one half of the range and remove the 25/50yd berms to allow you to place your own target stands and shoot from different positions & holsters.

Compared to the mainland ranges, I'd give it a 3.  Positives are the different activities that can be done in one place.
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Madosi

Re: khsc review
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2016, 11:40:16 AM »
Zippz compared to mainland ranges or the military ranges on island  it's easy to put down khsc but it is a good range by hawaii standards
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zippz

Re: khsc review
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2016, 12:09:47 PM »
If we consider KHSC a good range, then we're content with what we got and there is less need for improvements.  I think KHSC needs considerable improvements such as classroom space, renovations, more up to date facilities that match the trends, and improvements for safety now that Hawaii Kai has grown and encroached.  Also the need for another range for the public elsewhere on the island.  The problem I see is the Hawaii mentality, which is this is how it's always been so let's not change it.  Or this is good enough to meet the minimum standard.  Or that is a great job and here's your 9th place award.  I think almost all shooters on the island would agree that we'd happily pay a small range fee to see improvements made.

At least we got a range though compared to the neighbor islands.  And I agree with all of you're positive and negative points.



« Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 12:31:23 PM by zippz »
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aieahound

Re: khsc review
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2016, 12:31:26 PM »
Maybe that's the next move.
Petition our mayor And governor for a new or improved range.

But we need a couple thousand of our 3000+ members petitioning.

Might rain on our BI boys parade though as they've been tryin to get one for a while.
Got close but assholes from resort community are making a big stink using knudnuts ridiculous arguments.

I don't know how funding would go for two new ranges in the State.
Asshole, I mean ignorant, Knudsen made it like the landfill.
No one wants it in their backyard.

You willing to organize it Zippz ?
Anyone else ?
It's a great idea but great members need to step up to the plate.
( I'm not willing to organize it but I'll help out)
« Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 12:37:08 PM by aieahound »
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ren

Re: khsc review
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 12:38:52 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on March 27, 2016, 12:31:26 PM
Maybe that's the next move.
Petition our mayor And governor for a new or improved range.

But we need a couple thousand of our 3000+ members petitioning.

Might rain on our BI boys parade though as they've been tryin to get one for a while.
Got close but assholes from resort community are making a big stink using knudnuts ridiculous arguments.

I don't know how funding would go for two new ranges in the State.
Asshole, I mean ignorant, Knudsen made it like the landfill.
No one wants it in their backyard.

You willing to organize it Zippz ?
Anyone else ?
It's a great idea but great members need to step up to the plate.
( I'm not willing to organize it but I'll help out)

I surmise that he is adopting a business model like Al Sharpton. Getting rewards for testifying against any firearms related activities.

On a related issue. Its amusing that we have so many dog parks but dog owners still use nearby parks to let their dogs roam. Example is the one in Mililani Mauka. Witha dog park next door, dog owners let their dogs loose on the neighboring baseball field. There are more dog parks and skate parks than a firearms range despite the number of gun owners we have in this island. We are still marginalized out of illogical fear that we cause crime out of regards that we go through an arduous background check in addition to federal reqs. I think we are more responsible than others who have successfully got parks built.
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aieahound

Re: khsc review
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 12:51:58 PM »
Great point Ren.

We should take this bull by the horns on exactly Ren's points expanded.

Waiting list at the range, no long range shooting for rifles, no close range shooting for pistols, safety record (extremely safe), number of enthusiasts, record numbers of permits and registrations, etc.

Then get our 2000 signatures.
In part, that's exactly what the gun show membership drive (and old member chats) was about.
Getting members of the community involved.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 12:57:50 PM by aieahound »
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Madosi

Re: khsc review
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2016, 12:55:58 PM »
What aieahound said  :thumbsup:
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ren

Re: khsc review
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2016, 02:13:25 PM »
Great parking indeed!  :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 02:51:54 PM by ren »
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Madosi

Re: khsc review
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2016, 02:15:09 PM »
Anybody know of any good indoor ranges open during the week?
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Gordyf

Re: khsc review
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2016, 04:35:15 PM »
Guys and Gals:
It is like everything else in our beautiful State.
If we clean house in the Legislature and City council...
As long as we keep voting the same old folks in we should not be surprised.
Worse than trying to organize commercial fishermen.
A real, or range in central Oahu is only a pipe dream with the politicians we got now.
Sacramento is looking pretty good again.
Even California sorta understands.
Aloha
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Sodie

Re: khsc review
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2016, 08:35:57 PM »
Quote from: Madosi on March 27, 2016, 02:15:09 PM
Anybody know of any good indoor ranges open during the week?

Went to Honolulu Firearms and Range on Saturday (they're also open 10-6, Tues-Fri, 940 Queen Street).  It's small (four lanes, 15 yards max) and they have VERY limited parking.  Staff was professional, courteous, and helpful. $15 range fee, MUST use their ammunition (which was priced high, but not insanely so; 50 round box of Winchester "white box" .357 Sig FMJ was $29).  Several different kinds of targets available there, or bring your own.  Overall good experience, I'd go back.  Don't go to their website, it's been hacked...  Google warns you and my security software wouldn't let the site load.

X-Ring in Waipahu is in the final final stages of getting their new range ready.  I'm excited about that one because it will be convenient to my house...  As I understand it, they're waiting for the final utility connection from HECO; maybe SpeedTek can chime in with an update.

As far as Koko Head is concerned, it's certainly not ideal, but the price is right.  I know it's taxpayer funded, but if the range shut down tomorrow, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't see a difference in my taxes.  Would I like to see another public range in central Oahu?  Absolutely.  Do I think it will ever happen?  No.  Certainly not with our current governmental representation. 

What i'd really like is somewhere to set up action/combat/practical/IPSC/call-it-what-you-like drills for practice, and practice them realistically (draw from a holster, move and shoot).  Hey, I can dream, can't I?
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Madosi

Re: khsc review
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2016, 09:06:23 PM »
Yeah and thats where koko head fails no pistol from holster, no quick follow up shots, and no area to move and shoot not a big deal for military but the 2A community it doesnt allow realistic training
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Bota-CS1

Re: khsc review
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2016, 06:53:54 AM »
Quote from: Madosi on March 27, 2016, 09:06:23 PM
Yeah and thats where koko head fails no pistol from holster, no quick follow up shots, and no area to move and shoot not a big deal for military but the 2A community it doesnt allow realistic training

If you joined up with any of the clubs such as LIFE, HRA, HDF, MPPL, or Practical Shooters you could... :thumbsup:
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drck1000

Re: khsc review
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2016, 07:51:09 AM »
Quote from: Bota-CS1 on March 28, 2016, 06:53:54 AM
If you joined up with any of the clubs such as LIFE, HRA, HDF, MPPL, or Practical Shooters you could... :thumbsup:
One of the main reasons why I got started with MPPL and HPS is that it allowed shooting on the move and basically something more than offered on the bullseye and silhouette ranges. 

With regards to training, there are limited options available on-island for what Madosi appears to be looking for or at least mentioning.  The options that are available can be pricey, especially for structured courses.  Seems like many of us have taken the initiative to pursue courses off-island.  I too wish that there were more opportunities for that type of training here, but the available land for that is so limited here. 

But hey, I'm going to Vegas next month.  If I hit it big, I'll buy up some land and open a range!   :thumbsup:

Don't hold your breath fellas. . . .  :crazy:
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oldfart

Re: khsc review
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2016, 09:52:27 AM »
Quote from: Bota-CS1 on March 28, 2016, 06:53:54 AM
If you joined up with any of the clubs such as LIFE, HRA, HDF, MPPL, or Practical Shooters you could... :thumbsup:
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Yep, every weekend there are many opportunities to do action-style shooting at KHSC.
You just have to join a club. It's not formal training, but you can still learn a lot, make new friends and the price is right.
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GZire

Re: khsc review
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2016, 01:41:40 PM »
Quote from: zippz on March 27, 2016, 11:07:04 AM
For the pistol, they could just remove the benches on one half of the range and remove the 25/50yd berms to allow you to place your own target stands and shoot from different positions & holsters.

Compared to the mainland ranges, I'd give it a 3.  Positives are the different activities that can be done in one place.
I wouldn't even give it a 3/5, more like a 2.



Quote from: Madosi on March 27, 2016, 11:40:16 AM
Zippz compared to mainland ranges or the military ranges on island  it's easy to put down khsc but it is a good range by hawaii standards
IMHO I must disagree on this........it's not good compared to Hawaii standards.  We only have 1 public range as far as I know there are no other public ranges.  From that standpoint it pretty much sucks.  For all intents and purposes the range has not changed in the nearly 30 years since I first went there.

Heck Ren was just complaining in a thread about how the C&C can't even keep the toilets running and stocked properly.  There is a pretty massive yearly budget allocated to this and the other parks in the area and none of them, I repeat none of them is properly cared for.  Makes one wonder where the money is going every year..................
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macsak

Re: khsc review
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2016, 02:24:03 PM »
Quote from: GZire on March 28, 2016, 01:41:40 PM
I wouldn't even give it a 3/5, more like a 2.


IMHO I must disagree on this........it's not good compared to Hawaii standards.  We only have 1 public range as far as I know there are no other public ranges.  From that standpoint it pretty much sucks.  For all intents and purposes the range has not changed in the nearly 30 years since I first went there.

Heck Ren was just complaining in a thread about how the C&C can't even keep the toilets running and stocked properly.  There is a pretty massive yearly budget allocated to this and the other parks in the area and none of them, I repeat none of them is properly cared for.  Makes one wonder where the money is going every year..................

believe me, it's worse than that
after the cleanup was canceled after being approved in late 2013, jl808 and i have made TWO applications to adopt KHSC
one in 2014, and one in 2015 just days after mayor caldwell's state of the city address where he stated that the city would seek out private-puiblic partnerships because parks are his priority
we weren't even turned down, we were ignored
:grrr:
and mind you, the cleanup and the adopt-a-parks would have been totally FREE to the city and county
 :wtf:
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pantyhamster

Re: khsc review
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2016, 02:44:48 PM »
Quote from: macsak on March 28, 2016, 02:24:03 PM
believe me, it's worse than that
after the cleanup was canceled after being approved in late 2013, jl808 and i have made TWO applications to adopt KHSC
one in 2014, and one in 2015 just days after mayor caldwell's state of the city address where he stated that the city would seek out private-puiblic partnerships because parks are his priority
we weren't even turned down, we were ignored
:grrr:
and mind you, the cleanup and the adopt-a-parks would have been totally FREE to the city and county
 :wtf:

Can spell H G E A? It's an acronym for L A Z Y.
Can't do anything to take work away from them even though they do as little as possible.
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aieahound

Re: khsc review
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2016, 02:58:13 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on March 27, 2016, 12:51:58 PM
We should take this bull by the horns on exactly Ren's points expanded.

Waiting list at the range, no long range shooting for rifles, no close range shooting for pistols, safety record (extremely safe), number of enthusiasts, record numbers of permits and registrations, etc.

Then get our 2000 signatures.
In part, that's exactly what the gun show membership drive (and old member chats) was about.
Getting members of the community involved.

HDF, HRA, LIFE run point on this and let's get something done.
Easy enough to get the word out on 2A Hawaii for the rest of the cast of characters.
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