Hawaii Guns (Read 33063 times)

MuffinMan

Hawaii Guns
« on: April 21, 2016, 05:47:18 PM »
Matt Levi is doing a special on KGMB (Hawaii News Now) at 6:30 about guns in Hawaii.  Don't know if it's anti gun or what.

It's on at 6:30 tonight on channel 7 and replays on Saturday & Sunday envening

macsak

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2016, 05:51:18 PM »
Matt Levi is doing a special on KGMB (Hawaii News Now) at 6:30 about guns in Hawaii.  Don't know if it's anti gun or what.

It's on at 6:30 tonight on channel 7 and replays on Saturday & Sunday envening

word has it that several 2a supporters were interviewed, so hopefully it is "fair and balanced"
i'll be watching

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Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2016, 06:52:42 PM »
Seems skewed to be "anti" gun so far.  :-(
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Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2016, 08:01:06 PM »
Seems skewed to be "anti" gun so far.  :-(
Definitely anti...the pro side was thrown in as a thin veneer toward an anti bias. 

They used a very anti "source" of information when talking about defensive gun uses (DGUs): The Gun Violence Archives ( http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/foghorn/gun-violence-archive-flawed-start/ )
Made the false claim mass shootings are up based on a now debunked FBI study ( http://reason.com/blog/2015/12/03/choose-your-own-mass-shooting-statistics )
Provided the usual "assault weapon"  and the "guns in the home more likely to be used to injure family than thwart violent crime" BS
Suggested that if you keep a gun in your house it will just get stolen and fall into criminal hands or that most folks are ill-trained to utilize a firearm, especially for a self-defense encounter.
Major Robinson suggested that a gun at home would be useless, if it were being properly/legally stored,because it would have to be removed from the locked, hard-sided case and loaded, in which time the bad guy would inevitably assaulted you...and probably steal your gun for good measure. He basically said guns are more of a problem than helpful in violent encounters and suggests getting a "big dog" instead.

There was more, but definitely anti....

whynow?

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2016, 08:53:33 PM »
"Get yourself a dog. a big dog" reminds me of get yourself a double barrel shotgun.   Since the officer was wearing his HPD uniform, I wonder if get a dog is the C&C policy for personal safety.  To me this was a anti gun show meant to belittle the usefulness of firearms in the hands of citizens.
Can all apartment renters keep a big dog? 
 This type of show especially during the legislature only does one thing and that needs into the anti gun hysteria.   I own a AR type rifle for self defense and not  shamed to say that.  The U.S. DHS calls AR rifles Personal Defense Weapons.  Can't get any plainer than that. 
Since they all agreed that firearms deaths are low, why didn't they investigate swimming pool safety.  Probably would have said don't own a pool, go to the beach instead.

HiCarry

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2016, 09:12:08 PM »

...I own a AR type rifle for self defense and not  shamed to say that.  The U.S. DHS calls AR rifles Personal Defense Weapons.  Can't get any plainer than that.
Since they all agreed that firearms deaths are low, why didn't they investigate swimming pool safety.

Why? For the same reasons that when criminals and lawful gun owners use them, they're "assault weapons" but when police have them they're "patrol rifles."
Dishonesty. A need to control the narrative to push anti-gun agendas.

oldfart

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2016, 09:29:43 PM »
I thought the show was fine.
While the dog suggestion was not or everyone, neither is a firearm.
The reminder that Hawaii has a very low rate of firearm incidents is a good argument to stop making more oppressive gun laws.
I actually like the dog suggestion.
Harvey effectively parried that assault rifle terminology, if I recall correctly.
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stangzilla

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2016, 10:03:16 PM »
Mr. Robinson thought it is nearly impossible to get a gun ready for HD in time to use effectively.  he is wrong.  mine is ready in a couple seconds.
by his same logic, it is much much slower to call 911.
not a smart argument on his part.

having a dog for security is a good idea.
having a dog and gun......even better.

HiCarry

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2016, 10:14:12 PM »
I thought the show was fine.
While the dog suggestion was not or everyone, neither is a firearm.
The reminder that Hawaii has a very low rate of firearm incidents is a good argument to stop making more oppressive gun laws.
I actually like the dog suggestion.
Harvey effectively parried that assault rifle terminology, if I recall correctly.
But the dog suggestion was predicated on his implication that we mere citizens were not capable of using a firearm successfully, or safely. Especially with regards to self-defense.

And while our low rate of firearms incidents may be a good argument for not making more laws, the other side will see it just the opposite and advocate for ever more restrictive laws. Because, according to their logic, if all those laws were the reason we have so few firearms incidents, then more would obviously decrease that rate even further.

Assault rifle = select fire military rifle
Assault weapon = made up term

I think "our" side did a pretty good job, especially since it was obvious it was meant to be a hit piece, although a "soft around the edges" one.....

oldfart

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2016, 10:26:15 PM »
Mr. Robinson thought it is nearly impossible to get a gun ready for HD in time to use effectively.  he is wrong.  mine is ready in a couple seconds.
by his same logic, it is much much slower to call 911.
not a smart argument on his part.

having a dog for security is a good idea.
having a dog and gun......even better.
...
Of course the major is going to tow the company line by making it seem impossible to quickly retrieve and use a firearm effectively.
But we know better.
Generally, I believe the message of the program was not that guns are bad, but more like a warning to newbies that guns for sd are not a quick and easy solution.
What, Me Worry?

RSN172

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2016, 10:42:25 PM »
The big dog suggestion was good for those that CAN have a dog.  Many landlords don't allow dogs, especially big ones.  I have 4 Rottweilers.  Three sleep in my bedroom and one in my daughter's room. I also have a Glock with extra magazine, an AR15 and a high power flashlight that sleep in my room.  I would not care about bullets going through walls since it would be impossible to hit a neighbor's house even if I tried due to the distance and trees and my daughter's bedroom is upstairs and mine downstairs.  Since shooting someone WILL change your life for the worse, my first choice would be to have the dogs tear up the home intruder instead of shooting.

Overall I did not think that program benefitted gun owners.  The fact that they said Hawaii has the lowest gun violence and the strictest gun laws makes it seem that if they made the laws stricter gun violence would go down even more.
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hvybarrels

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2016, 10:56:38 PM »
The dogs are there to slow them down. The gun is there to protect the dogs.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2016, 11:20:56 PM »
The dogs are there to slow them down. The gun is there to protect the dogs.

Cops like dogs.  When police go in your house, they shoot your dogs first.  Easier than dealing with humans who can shoot back. 
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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MMM

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2016, 11:41:28 PM »
maybe the next matt levi segment should be with pro and anti's at the same table so there can be rebuttal. you can say anything you want if it's your one sided opinion and no one to say anything against it. that is what i saw.

556fun

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2016, 12:02:04 AM »
The statistics said it all!

Shaba

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2016, 01:24:54 AM »
Criminals should take a defense course on shooting big dogs...  LOL

Heavies

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2016, 01:32:41 AM »
I didn't get to see this program yet, however, any which way you look at it, GUN OWNERS need to start being more PROACTIVE, if you wish to keep you rights. 

stangzilla

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2016, 08:51:18 AM »
Mr. Robinson said an AR is too powerful for a city like Honolulu, to much collateral damage
and guns can be taken away from you and be used against you
ok, then HPD should get rid of their firearms for the same reasons.  that's his own argument.  unless he's a hypocrite.

London808

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2016, 10:17:24 AM »


Hawaii is seeing record numbers of guns being sold and they are scared they no longer have control, This is the ground work for bans similar to CA, Im predicting they will go for a 10 round magazine limit on all guns in the next year,
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Rocky

Re: Hawaii Guns
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2016, 02:43:54 PM »
Major Robinson suggested that a gun at home would be useless, if it were being properly/legally stored,because it would have to be removed from the locked, hard-sided case and loaded, in which time the bad guy would inevitably assaulted you...and probably steal your gun for good measure.

Major Robinson ASSUMES that we are not wearing our side arm while we are at home.

He basically said guns are more of a problem than helpful in violent encounters and suggests getting a "big dog" instead.     :wacko:

http://bearingarms.com/teenage-burglars-kill-family-dog-homeowner-shoots-them/   

   
 

I think "our" side did a pretty good job, especially since it was obvious it was meant to be a hit piece, although a "soft around the edges" one.....
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