So here is a report on our environment. What you think? I think it was a fair assessment and from both sides with some Credible speakers of our firearms community. Finally some fair reporting. I even agree with the negatives about our passion that was stated.

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http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=22837


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So here is a report on our environment. What you think? I think it was a fair assessment and from both sides with some Credible speakers of our firearms community. Finally some fair reporting. I even agree with the negatives about our passion that was stated.

Watch

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Well Mr. Robinson you are wrong.  I had an intruder in my house with me and my family in it.  I grabbed the gun out of its locked storage, loaded it, and successfully defended my child while we waited on y'all to get there.  So take your Northeast accent ass away from me and keep your nose out of my business.

Well Mr. Rogers you are wrong.  I had an intruder in my house with me and my family in it.  I grabbed the gun out of its locked storage, loaded it, and successfully defended my child while we waited on y'all to get there.  So take your Northeast accent ass away from me and keep your nose out of my business.

You should tell the HRA your story and that you'd be willing to be interviewed .  We need more people to grab media attention.  Wheter it's using a gun for self defense, or being attacked on the street and not having a gun to defend yourself.

You should tell the HRA your story and that you'd be willing to be interviewed .  We need more people to grab media attention.  Wheter it's using a gun for self defense, or being attacked on the street and not having a gun to defend yourself.

I have met Harvey and provided my story.  I am introducing a bill next session if Mr.Sloan is still there next session.

Well Mr. Robinson you are wrong.  I had an intruder in my house with me and my family in it.  I grabbed the gun out of its locked storage, loaded it, and successfully defended my child while we waited on y'all to get there.  So take your Northeast accent ass away from me and keep your nose out of my business.

I agree he's wrong, I had 2 motorcycles stolen right out of my closed garage and I was home on one of the occasions.

So how much big dogs should I get ??

"Get a big dog"

...?

People should realize this is an example of how the opinions of those in authoritive positions end up becoming "fact" by swaying Lawmakers decisions, who are just as guilty of converting their opinions to "facts" as well.

Note that these opinions have reduced people's choices in personal defense in Hawaii to Pepper Spray and whatever you were born with.  You can't even keep a "big dog" with you everywhere unless it's a service animal and those aren't trained for personal defense anyway.

And what about ailurophile's (cat people)?  Is HPD going to let them keep a "big cat"?  Equality for everyone, right?  Speciesism is WRONG, etc., etc.!

Finally, is the "big dog" at risk of execution if it protects me or my property?  Is HPD going to take the responsibility for telling the public to get a "big dog" after said dog decides to use less lethal force?

All great points gentleman. Also some good facts from experience as well.

One thing that was misrepresented by Maj Robinson was what disqualifies gun ownership. Did he forget the Kaiser and Straub patients debacle last year. For a while there, one was disqualified based on their health care plan. Short memory I guess. I have always supported our police department. But after what I experienced last year being a Kaiser member and the recent misbehaving by law enforcement officers including their leadership, I no longer do.

If my pit bull gets loose and mauls someone, I get sued.
My firearms will never get loose. They are under my complete control.

When people get more "big dogs" there will be registration and so forth. Permit to acquire dogs. Background check.Waiting periods. Fingerprint fee. National big dog registry. There will be another govt. agency to deal with "big dogs" Pets, Animal and Big Dogs. PABD.

"Get a big dog"
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Finally, is the "big dog" at risk of execution if it protects me or my property?  Is HPD going to take the responsibility for telling the public to get a "big dog" after said dog decides to use less lethal force?

There have been dozens of examples in the past couple of years of law enforcement shooting and killing dogs upon or prior to entering a property in response to a call or warrant, even when those dogs are not attacking or posing an immediate threat. I guess the cop forgot to mention that. No reason to believe Hawaii cops would respond any differently. An inconvenient truth. I guess the "advice" then would be "Get another dog, and don't call the cops. Oh, and if anything "bad" happens because we go to the "wrong address" (again), well, shit happens".

Anyone shopping for homeowner's insurance?
One of the questions they ask if you have pets such as a dog that has bitten anyone or ran away.
They don't ask about guns but rather about dogs that bite.

It was far from a fair and balanced.

The antigun side cited studies that have been discredited, brought up the Uyesugi shooting as an example of a "legal gun owner" going nuts and shooting people but didn't bring up any number of other shootings by folks who should not have been able to get guns and used unregistered firearms.

I have a list of other erroneous info at home...but no, it was not balanced. It was an anti-gun piece that tried to appear balanced...

I wish they covered more of the sporting/hunting uses and had some footage of a competition, hunting group, and women and children shooting.

The NRA did counter the stats shown from the "Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home" report (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20011211/22-times-less-safebranti-gun-lobbys-f).  Stats only included actual shootings and not those where firearms were displayed or no one was injured.

Questions I wish were covered:
Do citizens having guns deter crime, inside and outside the home?
Why are police allowed to carry and ordinary citizens, who have a greater need for one, cannot?
Can the police give us a 100% guarantee that they can protect us?
Why can we use a gun to protect ourselves in the home, but not outside in public?  What's the difference?

I agree with lack of training in the gun community.  Most gun owners buy a gun and think they can shoot when they can't.  The vast majority of training that have a gun for safety have minimal or no training besides shooting at paper targets without shooting themselves.  And even those probably haven't shot their guns in years or decades.   To use a gun safely in a self-defense scenario they should be proficient with the operation, go through scenarios, low light training, hand to hand defense, know they'll be willing to take a life to save a life, etc.

It was far from a fair and balanced.

I was expecting far worse.  I thought it was pretty good considering the pro gun side had more airtime and more people interviewed.  I agree the stats were off, or as the host noted non-existant in some cases.  He should've balanced the states out (wrong or right) with some progun stats.

The video was in the overall a negative piece to affect public perception.

The cut scenes where they were showing Russ and Clifford practicing on the range had this dark and brownish screen overlay making the whole scene look ominous and dark.

They selectively used video segments from Harvey, Russ and Clifford's interviews where they gave the standard warning about gun use.  I wonder what portion of their interviews were left in the editing floor.

The video made it seem that Harvey, Russ and Clifford all agreed with Major Robinson.  What about the portions where they disagreed?  I bet those portions were not included in the video segment.

so by mr. Robinson's logic, if we have the same training and testing as HPD, we can have CCW.
sounds good to me.