I have not done business with Hawaii on Target. Base on the reviews here, I doubt I ever will.

I'm not sure about their business model. It may be that they want you, the customer to pay first. Your funds are then used as principal to run their business. If so, this business model is flawed.

Reason is they would be using your new money to fund and cover PAST orders and operations. When your order's turn comes up, it becomes a drain on their resources despite you having pre-paid for your stuff  - unless they can get new moneys from new customers to fund your now PAST order.

I'm not saying this is what they're doing. It's just information and food for though. That's it.

I have not done business with Hawaii on Target. Base on the reviews here, I doubt I ever will.

I'm not sure about their business model. It may be that they want you, the customer to pay first. Your funds are then used as principal to run their business. If so, this business model is flawed.

Reason is they would be using your new money to fund and cover PAST orders and operations. When your order's turn comes up, it becomes a drain on their resources despite you having pre-paid for your stuff  - unless they can get new moneys from new customers to fund your now PAST order.

I'm not saying this is what they're doing. It's just information and food for though. That's it.

sounds like a ponzi scheme

For gun stores there are two types.  Those that have inventory and lots of guns on hand, Like Security Equipment and Young Guns, which is nice to see and you can walk out with what you want, however it's expensive for businesses to keep inventory.  Then there's places with little or no inventory, like HI On Target and Danger Close Tactical, which special order things for you.  Usually cheaper for the customer and for the business.

I can see why businesses, like the later, need to charge up front because the business will order, pay for, and receive the item.  Then a lot of customers will then change their mind and not want the item.  Probably the majority would do this if no prepayment is made.  The business is stuck with the item and has trouble selling it, even for high in demand items. 

sounds like a pyramid scheme

I know several of the one principal's past victims. In talking to them I think the term "con-man" was used many times. He is bad news and folks would be best off to avoid any business dealings with him. 

I know several of the one principal's past victims. In talking to them I think the term "con-man" was used many times. He is bad news and folks would be best off to avoid any business dealings with him.

Can you recommend an alternative instructor for the NRA pistol instructor course?

I ordered ammo and have been given excuses about wrong orders being received, it should be here soon, etc.  If I was the owner I would be proactive in keeping my customers aware of the situation and shipment issues, instead of having the customer need to continue to call in and inquire as to what's going on when it's nearly a month past the original arrival date. It really seems like something fishy is going on here. I will not be ordering anything else from Hawaii on target regardless of the price and I will recommend that my friends do the same.

Sorry to hear that it's you too. I agree, I don't care what the price is it isn't worth it to order from or do business ever again.

I'm also waiting for my order and I hate that they keep giving me the run around me and a co-worker is getting tired of it we just want our ammunition or our money back. We are really debating on ever doing business with this shop.

We are really debating on ever doing business with this shop.

Doesn't seem like there is anything to debate.

So how many of you are owed $$$ ?
How much?

i got a bunch of cases and my friends got a couple, after i told them to go down for the preorder.

i told hawaii on target that if its not at least partially fulfilled by the end of the month i want a refund so i can buy elsewhere. good prices, dont mind waiting a month or two if it actually comes in. anything more than that isnt really worth it.

So how many of you are owed $$$ ?
How much?

4 digits worth given 3/31/16

No communication at all unless initiated by me. It's now Friday, the day Darren said the money would be returned.  We will see.  Something tells me I won't hear anything and will end up calling in to see what's up.  I hope not.  If I get contacted and get my refund today, as I was told would happen, I will comment and say so. 

Wow. Id be yelling with that much money lost. Sounds criminal.

Wow. Id be yelling with that much money lost. Sounds criminal.

I've given them every opportunity before taking it here.  I hate drama and don't Like that it has come to this. I enjoy this forum and don't want to air out dirty laundry on here, I really don't. 

 On the other hand, I don't want others to go through what I am going through. 

Can you recommend an alternative instructor for the NRA pistol instructor course?

PM me

Sorry to hear that it's you too. I agree, I don't care what the price is it isn't worth it to order from or do business ever again.

Thank you. I hope you are able to get your refund today. Please let us know how it goes

I've given them every opportunity before taking it here.  I hate drama and don't Like that it has come to this. I enjoy this forum and don't want to air out dirty laundry on here, I really don't. 

 On the other hand, I don't want others to go through what I am going through.

A BBB complain might be an idea?

 It's Friday. 415 message left. Prompt callback from Darren.

Told Monday I would maybe have money. 

I was also asked to remove this post because it's making things difficult for them.

That is up to the mods of this site.  Once I receive refund, I will post, then never talk of HOT again. 

if this thread helps alter HOT behavior it should stay up. 

what would have happen if this thread and the one in the Review section was not posted?

would he have made you wait a year? or a few more months?

i dont want anyone else to have to wait a year for a refund. 

this thread is nothing more than a review.  nothing different than youd find on yelp or any other site

enough people have come forward to put HOT on notice.

 if the behavior changes great.  if not there is now some type of record of what to expect when dealing with HOT.

"Nothing good is cheap and nothing cheap is good".  Always remember this statement. Why anyone would wait a year is beyond me.

@ scorpio ps

we had a pretty good working relationship so i let it slide.  i have records of me asking about it throughout the year.

I have him tons of chances.  there was always an excuse.

by the time it all ended a year had past.

why he waited so long? beats me