On all the forums I ever visited, cross posting and duplicate topics were forbidden.  Mods deleted duplicate posts to keep things organized and spammers in check.

looks like on this forum not only is cross posting and dupe topics a normal practice, the mods are participating and assisting it! 

This is not a duplicate topic, this is a separate incident.

Lets act like adults.  Don't jump to conclusions or over speculate. 

Maybe all of those who have outstanding ammo or powder should get each others info and plan out a LEGAL course of action to get your product or money refunded.

Might behoove you guys to check out those court records.
Just sayin'

Might behoove you guys to check out those court records.
Just sayin'

first one i clicked was waterfront towers and he owes them 30k too.

we need a class action suit to stand out among all those other pending suits

first one i clicked was waterfront towers and he owes them 30k too.

we need a class action suit to stand out among all those other pending suits

lot of TRO's here.

This is not a duplicate topic, this is a separate incident.

Lets act like adults.  Don't jump to conclusions or over speculate. 

Maybe all of those who have outstanding ammo or powder should get each others info and plan out a LEGAL course of action to get your product or money refunded.

The topics may be started using separate incidents, but when people are posting the exact same comments in more than one thread, that would be the time to maybe start a new general topic and lock the ones people are cross posting in.

Both threads are focusing on HOT and the owner, not the incidents that started the threads,  That tells me the 2 have converged into one.

You even felt compelled to post the same comment in both threads,  That should tell you something.

I'm not gong to argue since you mods do wahtever you want here.  I'm only stating my case.  Agree or not, doesn't matter to me. 

Folks are coming out of the woodwork and now chiming in regarding separate but related incidents.

Maybe this needs its own forum section.  (Just kidding.)

The topics may be started using separate incidents, but when people are posting the exact same comments in more than one thread, that would be the time to maybe start a new general topic and lock the ones people are cross posting in.

Both threads are focusing on HOT and the owner, not the incidents that started the threads,  That tells me the 2 have converged into one.

You even felt compelled to post the same comment in both threads,  That should tell you something.

I'm not gong to argue since you mods do wahtever you want here.  I'm only stating my case.  Agree or not, doesn't matter to me. 

One of Darin's typical "responses" to issues in the past was to create a fictitious screen persona and berate others or praise himself....so, if someone new suddenly shows up on the forum causing problems, or trying to defend Darin or his business practices, be very suspicious....

One of Darin's typical "responses" to issues in the past was to create a fictitious screen persona and berate others or praise himself....so, if someone new suddenly shows up on the forum causing problems, or trying to defend Darin or his business practices, be very suspicious....

Do I sound like I'm defending anyone other than my own opinion of forum rules and management?

Maybe the only "problem" I'm causing is in calling out the mods lack of moderating.

Like I said, do what you want, but don't try and deflect by falsely accusing me of defending someone I have no interest in.

Flapp,

Welcome to the forum.
I don't think anyone is implying anything against you.

HiCarry is just giving a heads up to everyone.

One thing we love here is the Moderators moderate moderating.

Moderate moderating 

Brah this guy is crazy,  his company and name is doo doo to the firearms community.  I don't think he'll ever recover from this fiasco.

How does a guy with so many TRO's against him and a judgement against him with these terms:
THE COURT INFORMED DEFENDANT OF THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF THE DEFERRAL THAT SHALL BE COMPLIED WITH: A) FOLLOW ALL REASONABLE INSTRUCTIONS WHICH ARE GIVEN TO YOU BY YOUR PROBATION OFFICER; B) NOT OWN OR POSSESS ANY FIREARMS OR AMMUNITION, ETC;
work in the firearms business ?

Hmmmm

Do I sound like I'm defending anyone other than my own opinion of forum rules and management?

Maybe the only "problem" I'm causing is in calling out the mods lack of moderating.

Like I said, do what you want, but don't try and deflect by falsely accusing me of defending someone I have no interest in.

Sorry if you got caught up in this mess or feel offended. I was simply bringing up information about his past behavior and history of creating false online personas to further his agenda. You are new with minimal posts and come to the forum and bring up the issue of moderation. That type of attempt to deflect the conversation is exactly what this guy would do, so unfortunately you may have been viewed, under the circumstances, a little more suspiciously.

As someone else mentioned, I was simply trying to let folks know his MO. My apologies. Welcome to the forum.

Folks are coming out of the woodwork and now chiming in regarding separate but related incidents.

Maybe this needs its own forum section.  (Just kidding.)

He has a long history...asked to leave DLNR as an instructor, stole ammunition and equipment from LIFE, ran a scam on a car purchase from a fellow instructor and got the salesman (a family member) fired, promised a good deal on a couple of rifles for some friends and never delivered them after taking pre-payment....I could go on...again, and I cannot stress this enough, he's bad news, a con man. And, anyone associated with him should be considered in the very same light....

Caveat emptor....

Sorry if you got caught up in this mess or feel offended. I was simply bringing up information about his past behavior and history of creating false online personas to further his agenda. You are new with minimal posts and come to the forum and bring up the issue of moderation. That type of attempt to deflect the conversation is exactly what this guy would do, so unfortunately you may have been viewed, under the circumstances, a little more suspiciously.

As someone else mentioned, I was simply trying to let folks know his MO. My apologies. Welcome to the forum.

Perhaps you missed my earlier reply (#8 in this topic) where I was obviously not acting "suspicious" per your description/MO ....

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23088.msg206394#msg206394

Letting folks know of his MO didn't have to include a quote of my post, if indeed you meant it to be a general warning.

I'll accept your apology, but the offense, in my mind, is warranted.

I'm not affected by this and this thread is an interesting read.  My suggestions:

1.  Do not post things that you cannot prove to be true or you can get sued.
2.  Be stern but civil.  Do not make any violent threats or anything that can be implied as leading to violence.
3.  Keep innocents out.  Ie arguing with the wrong Darin, interrupting a class to argue with him, etc
4.  Document contacts with him.

Perhaps you missed my earlier reply (#8 in this topic) where I was obviously not acting "suspicious" per your description/MO ....

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23088.msg206394#msg206394

Letting folks know of his MO didn't have to include a quote of my post, if indeed you meant it to be a general warning.

I'll accept your apology, but the offense, in my mind, is warranted.

Sorry again for any offense, but the MO of this guy in the past was to create a new online persona and then derail the conversation by introducing non-relevant issues. At first those posts/comments would seem rather innocuous and even well-intentioned but would quickly go astray.

So, while the offense you felt may well be warranted in your mind, a warning, based on a new member posting a tangential issue on the topic at hand was, in my mind, certainly relevant and consistent with Darin's past behavior. I was simply urging caution and suspicion should your posts start going down another path. It was, for lack of a better analogy, investigating a vehicle that matched the description of a car used in a crime....you were unwittingly caught up in that "investigation" and appear, at this point, to have been in the wrong place and the wrong time in a "suspicious" vehicle. Sorry for the inconvenience or for any negative inferences that may have resulted from my post.

So, I hope that clears that up...again, no offense to you was intended.

Sorry again for any offense, but the MO of this guy in the past was to create a new online persona and then derail the conversation by introducing non-relevant issues. At first those posts/comments would seem rather innocuous and even well-intentioned but would quickly go astray.

So, while the offense you felt may well be warranted in your mind, a warning, based on a new member posting a tangential issue on the topic at hand was, in my mind, certainly relevant and consistent with Darin's past behavior. I was simply urging caution and suspicion should your posts start going down another path. It was, for lack of a better analogy, investigating a vehicle that matched the description of a car used in a crime....you were unwittingly caught up in that "investigation" and appear, at this point, to have been in the wrong place and the wrong time in a "suspicious" vehicle. Sorry for the inconvenience or for any negative inferences that may have resulted from my post.

So, I hope that clears that up...again, no offense to you was intended.

Please re-read the post prior to my moderator comments. 

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23088.msg208875#msg208875

User "macsak" quoted my comment & linked to another topic.  That's when I saw both threads had cross-posted comments that (IMO) should be combined into one.

basically, macsak started this "tangential issue".

Don't worry about it.

We basically blame Macsak for everything.

I'm not affected by this and this thread is an interesting read.  My suggestions:

1.  Do not post things that you cannot prove to be true or you can get sued.
2.  Be stern but civil.  Do not make any violent threats or anything that can be implied as leading to violence.
3.  Keep innocents out.  Ie arguing with the wrong Darin, interrupting a class to argue with him, etc
4.  Document contacts with him.

AMEN