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First, I will agree that you may have STARTED with a general statement.  However, after I asked you to provide a direct citation, you proceeded to post several related sources (though not the direct source), in what I assume was your attempt to further prove that your position is accurate. In my opinion, this is that subtle, nuanced moment when, whether intentionally or unintentionally, your general statement became a blanket statement. I've seen many people use the same techique, sometimes intentionally and sometimes unintentionally.  When unchallenged, they "win" and succeed in advancing their position.  However, if challenged, the craftier of the bunch know that they have an "out" and that they can back-pedal and say, "Oh no, no, no... my statement was a general statement, not a blanket statement!" Sorry, but no; you can't have it both ways.

I don't think I am back pedaling. I never bad blanket statements. I may not have put the disclaimer that it was a general statement in every single comment but that is because I figured it was not needed. I consider it common knowledge that when it comes to humans, you cannot make blanket statements because there will always be that one individual who doesn't conform to a particular set of data. In addition I was never going to be able to provide a direct citation. I made it clear that the comment I made came from a talk given by a psychologist.

Second, I understand that your job provides you with training on mental health issues, and that your job puts you into contact with individuals with mental health issues. Regardless, I stand by my opinion that for every study, lecture, or presentation you cite in support of your position, there is another study, lecture, or presentation that stands diametrically opposed.

We may have to agree to disagree on this matter, unless of course we are going to both spend hours researching and see who can come up with more.

Thirdly, your third paragraph (and in particular, your closing question) implies that, by my post, I am saying that forum members should not discuss certain issues unless they are experts.  Please do not put words in my mouth... I never said that any forum members should be prohibited from discussing any issues (mental health related, or otherwise), unless they are experts.  I simply said that you are not a mental health expert, and in my opinion, your blanket statements are irresponsible and misleading.

I am done posting in this thread... good evening to you, sir.

I did not mean to say that you were suggesting we cannot talk about anything without being experts. Rather I was just continuing your course of reasoning to its logical end. I was trying to see at what point you though we would actually be able to debate the issue where some level of progress is made.

Sorry, there are lots of avenues of assistance out there for medical care, even for low income families. Failing to take advantage of them is negligence. And, I use the term in its common definition, not legal definition where it is a component of compensation determinations. 

I content ignorance would be a more appropriate word than negligence. It is difficult to make any sort of blanket assertion anyway since so many facts can vary given a spectrum disorder. Perhaps we must agree to disagree on this.

Violence, according to the APA is the extreme of aggression. Therefore violence is aggression and aggression is violence. It is a continuum. Furthermore, your logic is off...the fact that they commit less crime cannot, logically be interpreted as they are less violent. So, your logic is faulty and your proclamation that "Violence should be differentiated from aggression" is counter to the APA. Try again....

http://www.apa.org/topics/violence/

All apples are fruits, so are all fruits apples?
Yes violence is a form of aggression but not all aggression is violence. I specifically referenced violence, not aggression. Statistics showed autistic people committed less crime which support the statement that they are less violent, even if they are actually more aggressive. Or are you suggesting that we should not differentiate between apples and fruits?

The peer reviewed article is behind a paywall. It is a common practice for such journals to charge for access for their product. The very fact that there is a peer reviewed journal, a psychological one at that, that addresses the management of violent/aggressive behavior in ASD patients should give anyone with a few working neurons a clue that such behavior is a concern BECAUSE of its frequent manifestations in this patient population.

The title only references aggression. I am not saying aggression is not an issue so really all your link proves is that aggression is an issue being studied in autistic individuals. It does not make mention of violence in autistic individuals which is what I made direct comments to.

Let me ask this, whether people with autism are a little less violent or a little more violent or even aggressive, how do we address gun control with regards to people suffering from this type of mental illness and others like it? People with mild to moderate cases, not the extreme ones who cannot function.

I content ignorance would be a more appropriate word than negligence. It is difficult to make any sort of blanket assertion anyway since so many facts can vary given a spectrum disorder. Perhaps we must agree to disagree on this.

No, it's negligence. If you have a child and you fail to research or find avenues for which you can obtain needed care for your child, you are negligent. Your continued attempt to find excuses for these types of irresponsible behavior shows that you have little regard to for personal accountability and responsibility.

All apples are fruits, so are all fruits apples?
Yes violence is a form of aggression but not all aggression is violence. I specifically referenced violence, not aggression. Statistics showed autistic people committed less crime which support the statement that they are less violent, even if they are actually more aggressive. Or are you suggesting that we should not differentiate between apples and fruits?

What a pathetic attempt at a sophomoric and overly simplistic analogy. Listen, the American Psychological Association says (APA) violence is an extreme example of aggression. You have already said you are not an expert yet you disagree with the experts on this matter. At least provide some type of valid counter-argument if you are going to dispute recognized experts in the field.

The title only references aggression. I am not saying aggression is not an issue so really all your link proves is that aggression is an issue being studied in autistic individuals. It does not make mention of violence in autistic individuals which is what I made direct comments to.

Again, aggression is violence. So says the APA. Your running around with your fingers in your ears and making failed fruit analogies doesn't change that fact. Deal with it.

Let me ask this, whether people with autism are a little less violent or a little more violent or even aggressive, how do we address gun control with regards to people suffering from this type of mental illness and others like it? People with mild to moderate cases, not the extreme ones who cannot function.

We use the judicial system to adjudicate the situation based on current laws. What we don't do is allow partisan bureaucrats and low-information voters and the public, piss away our rights and the required due process.

No, it's negligence. If you have a child and you fail to research or find avenues for which you can obtain needed care for your child, you are negligent. Your continued attempt to find excuses for these types of irresponsible behavior shows that you have little regard to for personal accountability and responsibility.

Not true. What I am saying is that you cannot make a blanket statement that suggests anyone who misses a mental illness in their child is negligent. Sometimes mental illness can be so subtle that it is missed by even the medical professionals trained to recognize them. My adopted brother has some form of mild mental retardation and so did his mother who for whatever reason ended up giving him into the adoption system. Was she, with her own mental retardation now negligent if she didn't recognize her sons mental retardation? It is even possible that someone could suffer from mental illness but hide any signs of it. For example, someone could suffer depression but hide it from you. I am not saying that parents are never negligent in diagnosing mental illness but a blanket statement blaming them all simply is not fair.

What a pathetic attempt at a sophomoric and overly simplistic analogy. Listen, the American Psychological Association says (APA) violence is an extreme example of aggression. You have already said you are not an expert yet you disagree with the experts on this matter. At least provide some type of valid counter-argument if you are going to dispute recognized experts in the field.

Again, aggression is violence. So says the APA. Your running around with your fingers in your ears and making failed fruit analogies doesn't change that fact. Deal with it.

That is not what it says. Your own quoted reference from the APA did not support what you are claiming. It said violence is an extreme form of aggression, it did not say aggression is violence. Here is what you posted on page 2.

"Violence is an extreme form of aggression, such as assault, rape or murder. Violence has many causes, including frustration, exposure to violent media, violence in the home or neighborhood and a tendency to see other people's actions as hostile even when they're not. Certain situations also increase the risk of aggression, such as drinking, insults and other provocations and environmental factors like heat and overcrowding.     
Adapted from the Encyclopedia of Psychology"

So how am I disagreeing with the experts? You are the one switching the words around from the definition you cited.

We use the judicial system to adjudicate the situation based on current laws. What we don't do is allow partisan bureaucrats and low-information voters and the public, piss away our rights and the required due process.

Agreed, but what I was getting at was where do we draw the line? The judicial system is based on laws and someone has to pass laws on mental illness for the judicial system to enforce. Someone has to legislate who gets to draw the line and where.

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