Elimination of Neighborhood Boards Honolulu Charter Commission ~ May 23, 2016 (Read 7079 times)

Rocky

Aloha 2A members,
   
    On May 16, 2016 a Permitted Interaction Group of the Honolulu Charter Commission recommended that the Charter Commission place on the general election ballot the following question: “Should the City increase citizen participation in the decision of government though the use of electronic communication, such as television, Internet, and email, and eliminate the Neighborhood Board System?’ 
    The Charter Commission will be considering this recommendation at their meeting on May 26, 2016 at 3:30 p.m.

    Seeing how some members of some neighborhood boards may not be truly committed to the wants and needs of the community 's they represent,  (meeow :grrr:) I think dissolving  the neighborhood boards thereby taking out the "middle man" is a GREAT idea !  :thumbsup:
   Direct communication to the city via Email would not be skewed as it has been in the past with neighborhood boards and its members  pushing their own personal, political or self serving  agenda. >:D
(Obviously, if you are a board member receiving this Email, I believe you to  be excluded from the above opinion)
Citizens would have a tangible, traceable, countable  input directly to the city.  8)
     
   Please join me in showing your SUPPORT for the Elimination of Neighborhood Boards by attending this meeting to SUPPORT this recommendation or by submitting testimony to the Honolulu Charter Commission in SUPPORT of this recommendation to Eliminate Neighborhood Boards.
Testimony may be submitted online here and it's super easy
Be sure to indicate you are testifying on agenda item III where it say's "Agenda Item"
http://honoluluchartercommission.org/submit-testimony?form_id=1&show_form_title=1&show_form_description=1&utm_source=newsletter_3128&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=honolulu-charter-commission-elimination-of-neighborhood-boards
   
PLEASE  SUBMIT  TESTIMONY  on Agenda  Item III SUPPORTING   THE  ELIMINATION  OF  ALL  NEIGHBORHOOD BOARDS !
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Heavies

Interesting...... :popcorn:

dustoff003

All monies saved by eliminating the neighborhood boards will be poured in to the rail.


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oldfart

Uuummmm, a question.

Who is supposed to be on the receiving end?
I am guessing an email inbox with auto-reply that some underpaid city clerk might check once a year.
Something like our legislature.
What, Me Worry?

Jl808

I'm not convinced whether this is a good thing or not.  In my opinion, this seems like a bad thing actually.

Despite some of the personalities on neighborhood boards, the pros I see of NBs are as follows:

1. NB gives people an opportunity and venue to meet the other people in their community and discuss shared issues.  Taking away NB seems like this further isolates people from their neighbors.

2. NB brings government officials to their neighborhoods and provides a venue where communities can hold their officials accountable.

3. An email inbox or a web form where people can submit something to government workers is a one way conversation, not a 2 way conversation.  It is much easier to ignore an email than ignore a person when they are standing in front of you.

For these reasons, I think eliminating Neighborhood Boards is a bad idea.
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Jl808

In my opinion, this question is flawed.

Instead of "Should the City increase citizen participation in the decision of government though the use of electronic communication, such as television, Internet, and email, and eliminate the Neighborhood Board System?"

This question is a trap.  It is like the question, "Can you certify that you are no longer suffering from your mental issue?"

It should read: "Should the City increase citizen participation in the decision of government though the use of electronic communication, such as television, Internet, and email in addition to the Neighborhood Board System?"
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Inspector

Uuummmm, a question.

Who is supposed to be on the receiving end?
I am guessing an email inbox with auto-reply that some underpaid city clerk might check once a year.
Something like our legislature.
With the way our reps ignore our e-mailed testimonies this year I would think they are doing this just to make it easier for them do continue to ignore our e-mails. JMHO
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

oldfart

With the way our reps ignore our e-mailed testimonies this year I would think they are doing this just to make it easier for them do continue to ignore our e-mails. JMHO
...
Yeah, exactly.
The new system will make ignoring tbe public so much faster and more efficient. :thumbsup:
What, Me Worry?

macsak

...
Yeah, exactly.
The new system will make ignoring tbe public so much faster and more efficient. :thumbsup:

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edster48

Having been to many, many neighborhood board meetings, I would say this would be a mistake.

I may disagree with Knudsen on many things, but I can say that I believe he truly cares about the community and its concerns. The rest of the board is the same.

It also represents an opportunity we otherwise wouldn't have to voice our  concerns to people in government that can actually do something about it, without a filter. Every meeting I have attended is also attended by state and C&C representatives, Senators, and council members. This is the only grass roots forum we really have to express our concerns without proxy.

If the boards aren't there it will be that much easier for them to ignore us.
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Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

Rocky

   I'm sorry, perhaps I am the minority here.
I ran for a board position one year and gathered a fair amount of votes but unfortunately, my district is somewhat 'biased" .   O0
    I thought the corruption and deception came to head when I personally filed charges with the NBC against them for violation of the Sunshine Law and won. :D
Unfortunately, NBC litigation mirrored our legal system and there was naught but a slap on the wrist and business continued as usual.   :'(

   I have seen our NB become nothing more but a mere vessel for the forward movement of a private for profit  institution.
   From promoting  zoning the last of our open ag land to high density housing ??? to serve their own needs to denying and destroying  local residents housing. :wtf:
Promoting  Emanate Domain the last piece of available business zoned land. :-\
Protecting business's of family and friends against violation of law.
Emergency response reports for our area used to be noted but have since been related to the next nearest town thereby "eliminating" crime, fires or major incidents from our community.(Looks good on a resume.)


    I hope all of you posting have actually participated regularly in NB Meetings and have utilized YOUR ALLOTED THREE MINUTES to voice your concerns  :wacko:  that the NB actually listened to you those THREE MINUTES :sleeping:  :sleeping: and that your words were written as spoken in the minutes.

     JI808, I usually agree with you but after reading your post, I wonder how much you have been involved with yours or any NB

 
1. NB gives people an opportunity and venue to meet the other people in their community and discuss shared issues.  Taking away NB seems like this further isolates people from their neighbors.
Most that attend already know each other and are attending for a common goal, usually something that has been going on for a long time.
Go to the NB website and view agenda's and minutes and you'll find the same complaints and issues meeting after meeting.
For us it's the Bus route/schedule, flooding (seasonal annually), park's  and  their bathrooms, and of course, the homeless and of course "Invision Laie". (If you are unfamiliar with this "private for profit  institution" and would like to know more, I would be happy to inform you).


2. NB brings government officials to their neighborhoods and provides a venue where communities can hold their officials accountable.
Government officials or their reps attend occasionally, but not always.
'hold their officials accountable" ?   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Again, go to the NB and NBC website and view agenda's and minutes to see all of the complaints against NB as well as NBC members.
You'll see the community member always loser or it's a slap on the wrist for the offender

   
3. An email inbox or a web form where people can submit something to government workers is a one way conversation, not a 2 way conversation.  It is much easier to ignore an email than ignore a person when they are standing in front of you.
But you can get more Emails to a person than you can get to attend a meeting or fit in a room and it will be in your own words, not written as translated by the NB secretary. :-*
Emails are direct, tangible countable and recordable.
With the NB, the majority of the community can say what they, but the board will vote and report to the city based upon there vote, regardless of community input
.  :grrr:
Electorial votes anyone ?  :shake:  :shake:
 
:popcorn:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Rocky

Having been to many, many neighborhood board meetings, I would say this would be a mistake.

I may disagree with Knudsen on many things, but I can say that I believe he truly cares about the community and its concerns. The rest of the board is the same.

It also represents an opportunity we otherwise wouldn't have to voice our  concerns to people in government that can actually do something about it, without a filter. Every meeting I have attended is also attended by state and C&C representatives, Senators, and council members. This is the only grass roots forum we really have to express our concerns without proxy.

If the boards aren't there it will be that much easier for them to ignore us.
Sorry dude, the NB IS your proxy.
See Electoral votes.
I mean, how many showed up in favor of KHSC vs those against?
How did the NB vote ?  :shake:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Rocky

Back on the table Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 3:30 p.m.

Aloha 2A members,
   
    On May 16, 2016 a Permitted Interaction Group of the Honolulu Charter Commission recommended that the Charter Commission place on the general election ballot the following question: “Should the City increase citizen participation in the decision of government though the use of electronic communication, such as television, Internet, and email, and eliminate the Neighborhood Board System?’ 
    The Charter Commission will be considering this recommendation at their meeting on May 26, 2016 at 3:30 p.m.

    Seeing how some members of some neighborhood boards may not be truly committed to the wants and needs of the community 's they represent,  (meeow :grrr:) I think dissolving  the neighborhood boards thereby taking out the "middle man" is a GREAT idea !  :thumbsup:
   Direct communication to the city via Email would not be skewed as it has been in the past with neighborhood boards and its members  pushing their own personal, political or self serving  agenda. >:D
(Obviously, if you are a board member receiving this Email, I believe you to  be excluded from the above opinion)
Citizens would have a tangible, traceable, countable  input directly to the city.  8)
     
   Please join me in showing your SUPPORT for the Elimination of Neighborhood Boards by attending this meeting to SUPPORT this recommendation or by submitting testimony to the Honolulu Charter Commission in SUPPORT of this recommendation to Eliminate Neighborhood Boards.
Testimony may be submitted online here and it's super easy
Be sure to indicate you are testifying on agenda item III where it say's "Agenda Item"
http://honoluluchartercommission.org/submit-testimony?form_id=1&show_form_title=1&show_form_description=1&utm_source=newsletter_3128&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=honolulu-charter-commission-elimination-of-neighborhood-boards
   
PLEASE  SUBMIT  TESTIMONY  on Agenda  Item III SUPPORTING   THE  ELIMINATION  OF  ALL  NEIGHBORHOOD BOARDS !
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Jl808

     JI808, I usually agree with you but after reading your post, I wonder how much you have been involved with yours or any NB
   :popcorn:

Does serving in a Honolulu-wide council for the last 8 years count?

Neighborhood boards are important. Why do you think politicians need to get their support in order to win in their districts?

That said, not all neighborhood boards are created equal.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2016, 07:56:21 AM by Jl808 »
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