How do person to person sales work in Hawaii?

No FFL transfer is needed because it is happening within the state, correct?

If it is a pistol, the buyer has to get a permit to acquire. Is there some paperwork or de-registration process the seller has to do?

Thanks,
Chris

Best bet is to meet at HPD.

Rifles transfer instantly.

Pistols, buyer goes to apply for permit to acquire. He/she needs make model, caliber, barrel length, serial #.

Two weeks later buyer and seller meet at HPD and transfer firearm there.

This is the best way to do it.

whats to stop someone from saying they just bought it out of state?

HPD will check their registration records.

but who's to say that they didn't sell the gun out of state?

but who's to say that they didn't sell the gun out of state?

Good luck.   

Thanks you guys.

lol not trying to be smart just wondering

Thanks you guys.

You're welcome.

Please don't take Aegis advice.
Its not worth losing your right to ever own a gun because someone gave you bad advice.

No worries.

The gun in question is registered to its owner so trying to pull a fast one would serve no purpose, really. The owner is just as eager to avoid legal complications as I am.

I'm not a huge fan of the permit and  registration law but as long as its the law... its the law.

but who's to say that they didn't sell the gun out of state?

FFL paperwork.

Quote from: Aegis808 on November 27, 2011, 12:50:10 PM

but who's to say that they didn't sell the gun out of state?

FFL paperwork.

you can still buy private FTF out of state though. i'm not trying to be sly or anything it just seems like a gap of info that the HPD really can't get their hands on.

When you sell a gun that's registered in Hawaii, HPD expects you to report it.  So, if you sold the gun out-of-state, they'd expect a letter to that effect.

If I were to show up to register a gun that I claimed I bought on the mainland from Bob Smith, and Bob Smith had previously registered that gun in Hawaii, you best believe that HPD is going to pick up the phone and call Bob Smith.  And, should Bob Smith still be a resident of Hawaii, they're going to want to know why, exactly, ol' Bob didn't tell them he had sold his gun.

Now probably no one goes to jail, or gets any form of legal action taken against them, but it will add to the hassle.

When you sell a gun that's registered in Hawaii, HPD expects you to report it.  So, if you sold the gun out-of-state, they'd expect a letter to that effect.

If I were to show up to register a gun that I claimed I bought on the mainland from Bob Smith, and Bob Smith had previously registered that gun in Hawaii, you best believe that HPD is going to pick up the phone and call Bob Smith.  And, should Bob Smith still be a resident of Hawaii, they're going to want to know why, exactly, ol' Bob didn't tell them he had sold his gun.

Now probably no one goes to jail, or gets any form of legal action taken against them, but it will add to the hassle.

No duty or obligation to HPD report the transfer of a gun, unless someone from this state is purchasing from you -- in our state. At which point they sign the permit paperwork is all. I have lots of questions on the legalities of selling guns when I am on a submarine to another person or if I were on another countries submarine or ship.

No duty or obligation to HPD report the transfer of a gun, unless someone from this state is purchasing from you -- in our state. At which point they sign the permit paperwork is all.

You'll note I used the word "expects," not "requires."  Although, if you ask them about it, they will tell you that you "have to." 

Quote from: GZire on November 27, 2011, 02:36:55 PM

Quote from: Aegis808 on November 27, 2011, 12:50:10 PM

but who's to say that they didn't sell the gun out of state?

FFL paperwork.

you can still buy private FTF out of state though. i'm not trying to be sly or anything it just seems like a gap of info that the HPD really can't get their hands on.

There are always ways around things.  The question is how much do you want to pay for it if you get caught.

I was going to ask if it is a requirement for the seller to show up at HPD but when I thought about the process of transferring person-to-person firearms, I think I know the answer to my own question. HPD doesn't allow you to take the transfer forms home. You have to complete them in person. The transferor, therefore, must appear in person to sign the transfer form. Of course, if the transferor doesn't have to sign the transfer form then I could be wrong. Can anyone confirm?

I was going to ask if it is a requirement for the seller to show up at HPD but when I thought about the process of transferring person-to-person firearms, I think I know the answer to my own question. HPD doesn't allow you to take the transfer forms home. You have to complete them in person. The transferor, therefore, must appear in person to sign the transfer form. Of course, if the transferor doesn't have to sign the transfer form then I could be wrong. Can anyone confirm?

If people are having problems with forms would be nice to know.  They have already heard from me once and ended up coughing up the documents (this is when they wouldn't give me CCW applications, registration forms, and mental health waivers, permit to acquire forms, which I now have copies of all them). I think most people do it because its easy to meet up there and just sign / sign - transfer - and register.  By statute though, not required.

I was going to ask if it is a requirement for the seller to show up at HPD but when I thought about the process of transferring person-to-person firearms, I think I know the answer to my own question. HPD doesn't allow you to take the transfer forms home. You have to complete them in person. The transferor, therefore, must appear in person to sign the transfer form. Of course, if the transferor doesn't have to sign the transfer form then I could be wrong. Can anyone confirm?

There's no "transfer form."  But, if the seller meets you there when you pick up your permit to acquire, he can hand it over to you and you can proceed straight to registration.

I was going to ask if it is a requirement for the seller to show up at HPD but when I thought about the process of transferring person-to-person firearms, I think I know the answer to my own question. HPD doesn't allow you to take the transfer forms home. You have to complete them in person. The transferor, therefore, must appear in person to sign the transfer form. Of course, if the transferor doesn't have to sign the transfer form then I could be wrong. Can anyone confirm?

I've taken forms to be signed by a seller before.

As far as I know, you are allowed to take the permit to acquire with you to get signed.