Orlando shooting 50 casualties (Read 48650 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #60 on: June 16, 2016, 08:13:32 PM »
I don't grade truthfulness on a curve.

I don't call someone a liar when they simply didn't have all the facts.  Whether or not he should have waited, not knowing the truth and telling a lie aren't the same thing.

I'm not grading his truthfulness on a curve either.  I'm deducting a few points for trusting the media to report the facts accurately immediately after the shooting.

That is all.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Sodie

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2016, 06:34:25 PM »
I don't call someone a liar when they simply didn't have all the facts.  Whether or not he should have waited, not knowing the truth and telling a lie aren't the same thing.

I'm not grading his truthfulness on a curve either.  I'm deducting a few points for trusting the media to report the facts accurately immediately after the shooting.

That is all.

If he didn't have all the facts, he (once again) should've kept his damn mouth shut.

And if he trusted the media to report the facts accurately immediately after a significant event like this, he's dumber than I thought he was.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2016, 07:34:24 PM »
If he didn't have all the facts, he (once again) should've kept his damn mouth shut.

And if he trusted the media to report the facts accurately immediately after a significant event like this, he's dumber than I thought he was.

That's all fine, but none of that constitutes telling a lie.  So the grading truthfulness on a curve remark, in my opinion, was unfounded.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Sodie

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2016, 11:03:41 PM »
That's all fine, but none of that constitutes telling a lie.  So the grading truthfulness on a curve remark, in my opinion, was unfounded.

So as it stands, he either knew the shooter was a natural-born U.S. citizen and claimed otherwise, or he didn't know because he trusted the media to accurately report the facts in the wake of a mass shooting.

That makes him either a liar or a moron.

Neither one qualifies for an A-minus in my grading rubric. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2016, 11:15:58 PM »
So as it stands, he either knew the shooter was a natural-born U.S. citizen and claimed otherwise, or he didn't know because he trusted the media to accurately report the facts in the wake of a mass shooting.

That makes him either a liar or a moron.

Neither one qualifies for an A-minus in my grading rubric.

If it makes you feel better, you can give him an F.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #65 on: June 19, 2016, 12:50:52 PM »
Loretta Lynch states that the transcripts of the phone calls between the murderer and law enforcement will be censored/redacted/edited, and the actual audio tapes will not be released, only transcripts. Gee, what could be in there that they don't want anyone to hear? Must be a national security issue. No mention of his reported calls to his wife and reported visits to social media sites. I'd really like to know what he had to say to everyone he spoke to. I guess I'm considered too stupid by the government to make my own mind up about what he said without being turned into a jihadi. Or something. Lies. This shit is unbelievable... it just keeps getting more absurd. Or maybe he said something like "Yes, for my entire adult life I've been a registered Democrat voter [true] and urge everyone to vote for Hillary Clinton in November. allah hu akbar! Okay, I gotta go now and kill more unarmed people with my assault rifle and high capacity magazines while you guys are pushing three hours out there waiting for me to... what exactly? You morons." I KNOW they wouldn't want us to hear that!

Lynch: "Partial Transcript" Of Orlando 911 Calls Will Have References To Islamic Terrorism Removed

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/19/lynch_partial_transcript_of_orlando_911_calls_will_have_references_to_isis_cut_out.html

LYNCH: Yes, it will be primarily a partial transcript of his calls with the hostage negotiators.

CHUCK TODD: You say partial, what's being left out?

LYNCH: What we're not going to do is further proclaim this man's pledges of allegiance to terrorist groups, and further his propaganda.

CHUCK TODD: We're not going to hear him talk about those things?

LYNCH: We will hear him talk about some of those things, but we are not going to hear him make his assertions of allegiance and that. It will not be audio, it will be a printed transcript. But it will begin to capture the back and forth between him and the negotiators, we're trying to get as much information about this investigation out as possible. As you know, because the killer is dead, we have a bit more leeway there and we will be producing that information tomorrow.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 01:00:44 PM by punaperson »

Jl808

Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #66 on: June 19, 2016, 01:15:14 PM »
So basically, the 911 calls will be edited so that the truth is not revealed. Why is that?

Sounds like a coverup maybe?  Does something in there compromise national security?
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Inspector

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #67 on: June 19, 2016, 01:19:20 PM »
...Sounds like a coverup maybe?  Does something in there compromise national security?
Yes, it does compromise National security. He admitted in that phone call to being a registered Democrat!!!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2016, 02:29:15 PM »
Yes, it does compromise National security. He admitted in that phone call to being a registered Democrat!!!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I just want to make sure people know that the quote I fabricated wherein the murderer admitted he was a registered Democrat and I wrote "[true]" only meant that it was true that he was a registered Democrat since 2006 and NOT that he mentioned it in any of his phone calls that are only being released as "edited" written transcripts. I don't want to be accused of "lying" because someone might not recognize snark.  :shaka:
« Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 02:37:27 PM by punaperson »

Inspector

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2016, 02:32:00 PM »
I just want to make sure people know that the quote I fabricated wherein the murderer admitted he was a registered Democrat and I wrote "[true]" only meant that it was true that he was a registered Democrat since 2006 and NOT the he mentioned it in any of his phone calls that are only being released as "edited" written transcripts. I don't want to be accused of "lying" because someone might not recognize snark.  :shaka:
And I was just joking!!!!
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #70 on: June 19, 2016, 02:39:54 PM »
And I was just joking!!!!
Hey Inspector. I wasn't referring to you... just to anyone reading it who might not be familiar with my penchant for snark when I'm flabbergasted by the crap the government tries to cover up and gives really lame excuses.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #71 on: June 19, 2016, 05:46:37 PM »
Almost 18 minutes of Obama speaking. 

He says we "are going to do" so many things to stop terrorists.  Why the delay?  What's stopping him from already doing all that?

At 6:25, he starts in about the gun used, saying we can't catch all the killers before they kill, but we can do something about the amount of damage they can do.  Politics makes it too easy to do as much damage as possible.  Blah blah blah.

Use emotion, blame the guns, ignore the fact the FBI fumbled the ball and says being as armed as the killers in night clubs defies common sense.

that's about all I can stomach!   The Florida Governor is much more rational.



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #72 on: June 19, 2016, 06:14:02 PM »
From Instapundit (https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/236525/):

BECAUSE HE’D RATHER DISARM AMERICA THAN ISIS: Obama has turned jihadist terror attack into personal gun war. (http://nypost.com/2016/06/17/obama-has-turned-jihadist-terror-attack-into-personal-gun-war/).

It’s alternately terrifying and fascinating to watch a president who’s far angrier with the American Midwest than the Islamic Middle East.

Inspector

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2016, 06:18:53 PM »
Hey Inspector. I wasn't referring to you... just to anyone reading it who might not be familiar with my penchant for snark when I'm flabbergasted by the crap the government tries to cover up and gives really lame excuses.
I knew (know) you were not referring to me. No worries. I have seen your postings enough to to know when you posting snark like. I'm with you on this. My problem is I seem to deal with this sort of thing by joking around. And being sarcastic. I think all of us feel your frustration. Don't worry about me. Everything is good.  :shaka:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #74 on: June 20, 2016, 07:56:24 AM »
Even RINO Paul Ryan can't get behind the Obama/Lynch administration whitewashing "editing" of the transcripts of the murderer's calls wherein they edit out/redact all references to islam. I guess they wouldn't want anyone to think that some muslim would do such a thing based upon principles of the religion of peace. Unbelievable.  :wtf:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/20/doj-releases-redacted-orlando-gunmans-911-calls.html

'I did the shootings': DOJ releases some redacted transcripts of Orlando killer's phone calls during massacre

House Speaker Paul Ryan called on the Obama administration Monday to "release the full, unredacted transcript" of the Orlando massacre gunman’s 911 calls, slamming the Justice Department’s censoring of all references to Islam as "preposterous."

The redacted transcripts of Omar Mateen’s calls to Orlando Police — made during his assault on the Pulse gay nightclub — included Mateen’s claim of responsibility, as well as identifying himself to police as an Islamic soldier. All other references to ISIS or Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi were scrubbed clean by the Justice Department.

"Selectively editing this transcript is preposterous," said Ryan, R-Wis., in a statement. "We know the shooter was a radical Islamist extremist inspired by ISIS. We also know he intentionally targeted the LGBT community. The administration should release the full, unredacted transcript so the public is clear-eyed about who did this, and why."

robtmc

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #75 on: June 20, 2016, 08:55:45 AM »
Orlando is still a hotspot:

punaperson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #76 on: June 20, 2016, 01:11:35 PM »
Lynch/DOJ fold, release unedited transcript. Seems as if the guy was a muslim. Huh. Never woulda guessed without him saying those words. I suppose it's possible he was really a christian engaged in a false flag operation to discredit his hated enemies the muslims.             
Nah!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/20/fbi-doj-release-new-full-transcript-orlando-shooters-911-call.html

FBI, DOJ release new, full transcript of Orlando shooter's 911 call

Under pressure from Republican leaders, the Justice Department on Monday afternoon reversed itself and released a full, uncensored transcript of the Orlando terrorist's 911 call on the night of the massacre, calling the morning’s furor over omissions in the document “an unnecessary distraction.”

An earlier version of the transcript had deleted the word “Islamic State” and the name of ISIS leader “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.” Omar Mateen made the 50-second 911 call in which he claimed responsibility for the terror attack and pledged allegiance to Islamic State's leader at 2:35 a.m. The call came just over a half hour into the June 12 slaughter at gay nightclub Pulse.

“I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi may God protect him [in Arabic], on behalf of the Islamic State,” Mateen says on the new transcript.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2016, 01:58:56 PM »
Lynch/DOJ fold, release unedited transcript. Seems as if the guy was a muslim. Huh. Never woulda guessed without him saying those words. I suppose it's possible he was really a christian engaged in a false flag operation to discredit his hated enemies the muslims.             
Nah!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/20/fbi-doj-release-new-full-transcript-orlando-shooters-911-call.html

FBI, DOJ release new, full transcript of Orlando shooter's 911 call

Under pressure from Republican leaders, the Justice Department on Monday afternoon reversed itself and released a full, uncensored transcript of the Orlando terrorist's 911 call on the night of the massacre, calling the morning’s furor over omissions in the document “an unnecessary distraction.”

An earlier version of the transcript had deleted the word “Islamic State” and the name of ISIS leader “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.” Omar Mateen made the 50-second 911 call in which he claimed responsibility for the terror attack and pledged allegiance to Islamic State's leader at 2:35 a.m. The call came just over a half hour into the June 12 slaughter at gay nightclub Pulse.

“I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi may God protect him [in Arabic], on behalf of the Islamic State,” Mateen says on the new transcript.

The shooter was obviously insane, and we can't assume that anything he says is true! 

You are talking about the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2016, 07:46:16 AM »
Bill Whittle's video commentary re Obama's refusal to even name, much less condemn, the ideology (islam, which means "submission") responsible for the latest attack in Orlando.

WARNING: This video contains extremely graphic images of violence perpetrated in the name of islam.



robtmc

Re: Orlando shooting 50 casualties
« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2016, 08:06:06 AM »
LORETTA LYNCH vs. OMAR MATEEN

 MATEEN: "I shot up the Pulse Club because I am a member of ISIS."

LYNCH: "No you're not."

MATEEN:"Wait, what? Yes I am..."

LYNCH: "No, this has nothing to do with Muslim terrorism. I have no idea why you did this, but it wasn't radical Islam."

MATEEN: "WHAT!? Did you even read what I told the 911 operator? I gave explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and homosexuals."

LYNCH: "No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You are not a true Muslim, and you defame a great religion by saying so."

MATEEN: "Huh!? Who are you to tell me I'm not a true Muslim!? Islam is literally at the core of everything I do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts, the Quuran. It is my very reason for being."

LYNCH: "Nope. We're still trying to figure out why you did this. I bet it's because of White Men. It's because you were disenfranchised. We're sorry."

MATEEN: "What? Why are you apologizing? I just slaughtered you mercilessly by the dozens. I targeted unwitting civilians and gays - disenfranchisement doesn't even enter into it!"

LYNCH: "Easy access to guns is what drives your anger."

MATEEN: "It's not the guns! We will knife you, hang you, burn you, run you over, and bombs are easy to create in our kitchens! We don't care about the guns! In fact, civilian gun ownership might actually make it difficult for us!"

LYNCH: "Obviously we need to ban all guns. We need to overturn the Second Amendment."

MATEEN: "By Allah, you are a motherless tool! The weapon is not the issue! Our Holy Jihad against you is the only thing that is important!"

LYNCH: "Climate Change is the reason you rage against us. We deserve it."

MATEEN: "WHAT??!? What the hell does Climate Change have to do with this???"

LYNCH: "Because of Climate Change, the oceans will rise by one-tenth of one inch, and that makes you furious...."

MATEEN: (facepalms)

LYNCH: "You see no future for your children because of Climate Change so you strap bombs on them and send them into shopping malls.

MATEEN: "NO DAMMIT. It has NOTHING to do with Climate Change or Gun Control or ANYTHING like that! It is because we follow the teachings of the Prophet Mohammad, who tells us to put all unbelievers to the sword! We are commanded by Allah to kill you all!"

LYNCH: "This is all caused by the fact we bullied gays and transgenders in our past. If we hadn't been so mean, and accepted Bruce Jenner for the amazing woman he was all those years, you would not be trying to kill us. Please forgive us."

MATEEN: "ARE YOU INSANE??? I targeted gays for slaughter! We kill gays the moment we find them! We hang them by their necks any chance we can! Islam hates homosexuality!"

LYNCH: "Listen, it's our fault. We resisted resettling you in our country. We should have given you more welfare and food stamps. We don't blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out."

MATEEN: "Seriously, stop taking credit for this! I worked really hard to pull this off, and I'mnot going to let you take it away from me."

LYNCH: "No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame."

MATEEN: "OMG, how many people do I have to kill around here to finally get our message across?""

LYNCH: "Gun control will fix this."