It is extremely disappointing when it seems like some gun owners don't do a damn thing when liberal lies are spread through the media. Also, when Barrack Muslimsarn'tbad Obama and KIllary Clinton spew their lies about firarms people do nothing. I'm not talking about liberal protest (riots), I mean peaceful petitions/general activism... What gives? When I see bull$hit lies by liberals, I address it, no PC about it.

Here's the tagline from a poster in the calguns forums, and I suspect it applies to Hawaii as well:

California: the only state in the union where uninformed gun owners vote in anti gun politicians and wonder where their gun rights have gone.

It is extremely disappointing when it seems like some gun owners don't do a damn thing when liberal lies are spread through the media. Also, when Barrack Muslimsarn'tbad Obama and KIllary Clinton spew their lies about firarms people do nothing. I'm not talking about liberal protest (riots), I mean peaceful petitions/general activism... What gives? When I see bull$hit lies by liberals, I address it, no PC about it.

I don't agree that gun owners are doing nothing. Certainly, not ALL gun owners do something. But there are plenty of gun owners (such as many members of this forum) who I am sure will stand up against the lies whenever they are spouted, such as on Facebook, in discussions among friends, etc.

With regards to more public activity, the NRA is about the only such organization that gets nationwide news coverage.

When the news is liberal, they will NOT cover events as form of censorship.

So you may only reach a very small number of people locally, if you organize locally.

Note the recent Facebook fiasco/expose that its "editors" are censoring conservative news items, even when they are trending. That is just one example.

In every day news, I have read news items where the conservative (or neutral) news provider covers all the facts, but the liberal (and better known names) news censor all pro-gun facts.

There was a case where a doctor in a hospital shot and killed an intruder. The intruder gunman had shot a receptionist, but as the gunman was going down the hallway, a doctor using his own personal firearm, shot the attacker, and stopped what could have been a mass shooting.

The doctor was taken away by police for questioning.

All the big news providers said that two people were dead in a hospital shooting and a doctor was taken away as witness. ZERO mention about him using a gun to defend himself.

I remember this news event well, because of this blatant censorship. But there are plenty of other similar examples.

When you control the mass media, you control what the public sees and reads.

One of the most frustrating things is that only a small number of people believe there is a general media bias, and (most important) that there is a general agenda to disarm Americans and weaken America (in order to, supposedly, make the world a more equal place, where nobody has guns, and no one nation or people is superior over any other; the massive influx of migrants to Europe is part of this overall "equalization" plan; and you know what "equalization: means when some pigs are more equal than others).

I mean peaceful petitions/general activism... What gives?

I'm afraid of peaceful protests. I am afraid I will be in a gun free zone and shot and killed by some LIBERAL CRAZY!!!! 

I'm afraid of peaceful protests. I am afraid I will be in a gun free zone and shot and killed by some LIBERAL CRAZY!!!! 

The day we rallied at the Capitol towards the end of the day some homeless looking off her meds lady came by and looked at our signs and said that us gun people needed to be killed.


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The day we rallied at the Capitol towards the end of the day some homeless looking off her meds lady came by and looked at our signs and said that us gun people needed to be killed.


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I was there in the morning and into the early afternoon. I remember the guy in a van that stopped and told us we were crazy or nuts or something to that effect.

I don't agree that gun owners are doing nothing. Certainly, not ALL gun owners do something. But there are plenty of gun owners (such as many members of this forum) who I am sure will stand up against the lies whenever they are spouted, such as on Facebook, in discussions among friends, etc.

Amen. I regularly get into discussions on Facebook and in person about firearm laws and I have friends who do this also.

The issue is you are fighting a propaganda war against a media complex who's dead set on disarming the public. They will pull out every stop to try and turn people against each other in order to achieve their goals. You can see this clearly through the similar phrases that keep popping up everywhere. In order to effectively refute it first you have to learn what it is you are fighting and where it came from. Start with this book. It's short and a page-turner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)

The issue is you are fighting a propaganda war against a media complex who's dead set on disarming the public. They will pull out every stop to try and turn people against each other in order to achieve their goals. You can see this clearly through the similar phrases that keep popping up everywhere. In order to effectively refute it first you have to learn what it is you are fighting and where it came from. Start with this book. It's short and a page-turner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)

You reminded me of this video, check it out. Really shows how the Mainstream Media is just a big programming machine.

You can't make this stuff up!

(Ignore the idiots who are on the laugh track in the video; they don't realize the implications of what they are watching)

The key is seeing some of the guys PRETEND they thought up the messages on the spur of the moment; that is ACTING.

Interesting points. I appreciate the information.

The issue is you are fighting a propaganda war against a media complex who's dead set on disarming the public. They will pull out every stop to try and turn people against each other in order to achieve their goals. You can see this clearly through the similar phrases that keep popping up everywhere. In order to effectively refute it first you have to learn what it is you are fighting and where it came from. Start with this book. It's short and a page-turner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)

There's a lot of that and the media is an efficient outlet in the high tech world we live in.  That and speculation and misinformation runs rampant in their "reporting".  People generally remember the first information that they get on a subject.   For example, one of my first bosses always cautioned to be careful when revealing the first estimate for a project.  That that information is what the client will remember, even if you include disclaimers that it is work in progress. Some will go so far as to hold you to that initial "truth".

Yeah, not the same as this discussion here, but similar in that the media can spin things and for those that aren't the wiser, they'll typically remember what the media "reported", even so far as taking it as truth.  Many times media rush to be the first to report something that there's risk for all sorts of inaccurate information and other times, they include misinformation or spin.  Like when the surgeon treating many of the wounded in Orlando had a press conference this morning said something like "we currently have 21 people admitted, 6 are in ICU, 4 are in serious condition, 11 are in guarded but stable condition" (or something like that). Then the news recap was, "dozens remain in critical condition at an Orlando hospital where Dr. XXXXX just spoke". 

The media is free to spin with all sorts of opinion, speculation and even flat out incorrect information.  Yeah, they can be held accountable, but they generally are not.  However, but then, the damage has been done and the speculation and misinformation is spreading like wide fire.

I think Mr Gersh Kuntzman is a wee bit dramatic.

Take a very deep breath before reading (you were warned!) ...


What is it like to fire an AR-15? It’s horrifying, dangerous and very very loud

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

Modern children (and many adults) are being trained to cower in the face of danger.

So not surprising that any loud device would scare the wits out of people, or ought to (the approved emotional response from a pacified and conquered people).

Modern children (and many adults) are being trained to cower in the face of danger.

So not surprising that any loud device would scare the wits out of people, or ought to (the approved emotional response from a pacified and conquered people).

I intend to take my children shooting when they get older. I wonder what type of cow the administration would have if one of my kids showed up reading a gun publication during recess?

I intend to take my children shooting when they get older. I wonder what type of cow the administration would have if one of my kids showed up reading a gun publication during recess?

I wouldn't be surprised if that weren't some kind of infraction under "safe space" and/or "micro agression" type policies, or simply "inappropriate". Their schools, their rules. They suck.

I wouldn't be surprised if that weren't some kind of infraction under "safe space" and/or "micro agression" type policies, or simply "inappropriate". Their schools, their rules. They suck.

I had one teacher thinking I was going to go on a shooting because I told her I was interested in guns, read gun magazines, and was considering joining the army to be a sniper.

I did a current events report on some gun control issue and caught a good deal of flack for being pro gun.