http://khon2.com/2016/06/14/hawaii-could-soon-create-database-listing-gun-permit-applicants/ 

People do not understand.  If Hawaii was connected by land to the mainland then there would be more crime and murders.  Period.  Hawaii is an anomaly in the stats.

You already have to "register" and be on a list  just like a pedophile (though they haven't published our addresses online yet). You have to provide you fingerprints. You also have to sign away your right to privacy regarding medical and/or (probably) any other information they want to research on you. What's one more list? 

The only question that should be asked remains the same: if they implement it, what are you going to do about it? 

My prediction: Ige signs it after hearing from the Attorney General's office: "After careful analysis there's a moderate to high probability that the law will be declared unconstitutional if appealed all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States (after, obviously, being upheld by all Hawaii state courts and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals), AND Trump is elected to appoint the next justice(s), but don't worry because you'll be long out of office after all those years of litigation, and besides, if Hillary wins she'll do far worse than a mere national registry.

Are they talking about rap back ?

Cuz rap back is messed up.

Are they talking about rap back ?

affirmative

If anyone gets put on some watch list  because of rapback, hope they sue the state big.  Also hope NRA will bring some good lawyers into the state for the lawsuit.

Applying for a NFA item automatically puts yourself on the list.

I am less worried about rapback than some of the other crap they are trying to pull.

We are already on an accessible list. This one will just better connect information so that if someone commits a serious  crime in another state they don't slip through the cracks in this state.

The constitutionality of such a list is an interesting issue though.

I am less worried about rapback than some of the other crap they are trying to pull.

We are already on an accessible list. This one will just better connect information so that if someone commits a serious  crime in another state they don't slip through the cracks in this state.

The constitutionality of such a list is an interesting issue though.

the list is illegal...

the list is illegal...

When has that ever stopped the government or a politician? Okay, maybe occasionally...

I am less worried about rapback than some of the other crap they are trying to pull.

We are already on an accessible list. This one will just better connect information so that if someone commits a serious  crime in another state they don't slip through the cracks in this state.

The constitutionality of such a list is an interesting issue though.

Or if someone doesn't like you they can use this "list" for their personal agenda....
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32180505/lawsuit-2-hpu-professors-falsely-told-police-colleague-was-planning-shooting
This list the City of Honolulu maintains is not accessible by Joe Citizen but by a privileged body of people and they want to share this list on a federal level.
Again, what have I done?
and again:

Again, what have I done?

You have chosen to exercise your natural fundamental individual civil right (enumerated and protected by the Constitutions (U.S. and Hawaii)) to be prepared to defend yourself and your family using the best tools available (well, of those still "allowed" in Hawaii. Imagine the lists you'd be on if you were "allowed" an "assault pistol" or a handgun magazine of greater than 10 rounds capacity or, I almost hesitate to say it, a "machine gun"!).

What more reason or justification would the government need to make you jump through hoops and be on a special list of suspect citizens?

"Soon, there could be a database listing everyone in Hawaii who’s applied for a firearms permit. No other state has it."

So, I gotta ask, doesn't this list already exist somewhere? In other words, is it not naive to think that such a list does not already exist?

(Now if they made that list publicly accessible via a website, that would be a different issue of privacy invasion.)

"Soon, there could be a database listing everyone in Hawaii who’s applied for a firearms permit. No other state has it."

So, I gotta ask, doesn't this list already exist somewhere? In other words, is it not naive to think that such a list does not already exist?

(Now if they made that list publicly accessible via a website, that would be a different issue of privacy invasion.)

I recall a story of some newspaper on the mainland that did make registered gun owners addresses public. Someone quickly released the addresses and other information of all employees at that newspaper public knowledge and the news paper withdrew there list IIRC.

"Soon, there could be a database listing everyone in Hawaii who’s applied for a firearms permit. No other state has it."

So, I gotta ask, doesn't this list already exist somewhere? In other words, is it not naive to think that such a list does not already exist?

(Now if they made that list publicly accessible via a website, that would be a different issue of privacy invasion.)

What makes you think that just because the NSA (and who knows what other alphabet agencies we don't even know about) is recording and storing every email and every phone call and maybe even every keystroke on every keyboard () and the "secret" FISA court does whatever the government wants them to do without any true "due process" or any accountability at all, that  the government would illegally create a database of all firearms owners or permit/license applicants? Oh, ye of little faith. 

"Soon, there could be a database listing everyone in Hawaii who’s applied for a firearms permit. No other state has it."

So, I gotta ask, doesn't this list already exist somewhere? In other words, is it not naive to think that such a list does not already exist?

(Now if they made that list publicly accessible via a website, that would be a different issue of privacy invasion.)

Yes the list already exists,  If you have purchased and registered a gun in Hawaii then you are on that list, It will be interesting to see if they only add you to the list as you register a new gun OR if they use the information they already have to add you to the list and then send you a bill for the privilege.

Also why else do you think they changed the system to digital ? it makes it easier/compatible to transfer the data.

Yes the list already exists,  If you have purchased and registered a gun in Hawaii then you are on that list, It will be interesting to see if they only add you to the list as you register a new gun OR if they use the information they already have to add you to the list and then send you a bill for the privilege.

Also why else do you think they changed the system to digital ? it makes it easier/compatible to transfer the data.

Maybe there's a shortage of carbon paper and IBM Selectric typewriter ribbons?   

There is an advantage of the rap back system that does make sense though. Say you commit a serious crime and are convicted in another state but you already have a gun registered in Hawaii. There is a good chance that Hawaii will never learn o the conviction in the other state and a gun may not be taken away that should be taken away. With this new system it will notify Hawaii that the individual had the conviction so it will close gaps that people slip though. From an efficient law enforcement standpoint it makes good sense. But it does still carry all the risks of a firearm registry.

That is why I seriously hope that in a Red Dawn type scenario, someone has the wherewithal to go and delete the registry.