Beretta PX4

Crappy trigger and just wasn't feelin' it.
Bought it because it was a great price and I had the replica pellet gun.

Pellet gun had a better trigger.

Sold it and got the FNS9. Lovin that gun.

I could list more guns I regret selling than buying. 

...What issues did you have with the Victor II?  Functioning?

First this is going to be tough to explain. The new company (Mitchell) started casting the frames differently or the company they farmed the frames out were casting them differently. Using a different method with looser tolerances. The High Standards don't have a feed ramp and feed directly from the magazine. So the lips of the magazine has to be adjusted perfectly otherwise the gun won't feed. But that also means the angle in which the feed lips point the round towards the chamber has to be perfect. With the tight tolerances that High Standards were previously made to, this was not a problem. But the new casting method meant that the angle in which the magazine was held at was looser and therefore the cartridge no longer pointed directly at the chamber in some guns. And of course it won't feed no matter how much you adjust the magazine feed lips. Then Mitchell started using inferior metals for the frames and slides. Certain areas that require hardening were either not hardened or not hardened enough. And of course the fit and finish and the exceptional high gloss finishing on the original High Standards were beyond description right from the factory. But the new Mitchell's had very little fit and finish so things also bound and would not operate correctly. A world class target pistol requires exceptional fit and finish. Lastly, the barrel on my gun had some wear at the point that the extractor rubs against the barrel to pick up the rim of the next round. The extractor was hardened but the area on the barrel where the extractor rode was not and the extractor quickly wore a hole at that slot in the barrel. So after a few rounds I had had a kaboom at that hole and it blew the extractor out. Too bad, that gun is one of the best balanced and handling guns I have ever held. And when I could get some rounds through it it was the most accurate.

There is another gun called the Stoeger Luger which is just a crappy .22 based on the German Luger. Looks cool but is not very accurate nor does it function reliably. I sold mine years ago. Made a profit on it. Bought it for $50 and sold it for $150. I actually was going to buy another one from a member here and he stopped e-mailing back so I never bought it. Probably a good thing that happened.

I should look to sell some guns before buying more, but just can't seem to get myself to do so. . . 
M1 Garand big and dainty?   

Is the Marlin Camp 9 the one that accepted pistol mags?  I was looking at one many years ago, but didn't care for the handgun that it accepted the mags for, which IIRC was a Ruger P89 or something like that.

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read again....M1 Garand was too big for "dainty me"
I'm not a large person and I got small hands. Besides that, loading lots of 06 ammo to feed the beast was not fun.
I did sell it many years ago, but I sort of regret doing so.now. But I would not buy another one.

RE the camp9... It's ok and it does take pistol mags. But the gun has some plastic shock buffer inside that gets brittle and disintegrates.
When the plastic shatters it send bits into the action jamming the gun.
It won't feed hollow point ammo reliably.
It won't feed copper plated ammo reliably. Strictly FMJ round nose.
The chamber is loosey goosey so accuracy is on;y fair.
Marlin discontinued making it and they don't have the plastic replacement part either. (I bought an aftermarket replacement)
Having said all of that, If I had a range where I could shoot bottles and cans and stuff I would shoot it a lot more because it is fun.
But I would not buy another one.

I had a pocket .22 pistol many years ago that I can't remember the name. maybe a jennings...
It was cheap and junk. Today, I would not buy a pocket sized 22 again when we have so many nice pocket sized 9mms available.
The g43 impressed me. Maybe I'll get one later.

First this is going to be tough to explain. The new company (Mitchell) started casting the frames differently or the company they farmed the frames out were casting them differently. Using a different method with looser tolerances. The High Standards don't have a feed ramp and feed directly from the magazine. So the lips of the magazine has to be adjusted perfectly otherwise the gun won't feed. But that also means the angle in which the feed lips point the round towards the chamber has to be perfect. With the tight tolerances that High Standards were previously made to, this was not a problem. But the new casting method meant that the angle in which the magazine was held at was looser and therefore the cartridge no longer pointed directly at the chamber in some guns. And of course it won't feed no matter how much you adjust the magazine feed lips. Then Mitchell started using inferior metals for the frames and slides. Certain areas that require hardening were either not hardened or not hardened enough. And of course the fit and finish and the exceptional high gloss finishing on the original High Standards were beyond description right from the factory. But the new Mitchell's had very little fit and finish so things also bound and would not operate correctly. A world class target pistol requires exceptional fit and finish. Lastly, the barrel on my gun had some wear at the point that the extractor rubs against the barrel to pick up the rim of the next round. The extractor was hardened but the area on the barrel where the extractor rode was not and the extractor quickly wore a hole at that slot in the barrel. So after a few rounds I had had a kaboom at that hole and it blew the extractor out. Too bad, that gun is one of the best balanced and handling guns I have ever held. And when I could get some rounds through it it was the most accurate.

There is another gun called the Stoeger Luger which is just a crappy .22 based on the German Luger. Looks cool but is not very accurate nor does it function reliably. I sold mine years ago. Made a profit on it. Bought it for $50 and sold it for $150. I actually was going to buy another one from a member here and he stopped e-mailing back so I never bought it. Probably a good thing that happened.

Thank you for the comprehensive and detailed explanation.   

Too bad where an accurate gun won't function properly.  The stuff leading to the kaboom is definitely no bueno. 

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read again....M1 Garand was too big for "dainty me"
I'm not a large person and I got small hands. Besides that, loading lots of 06 ammo to feed the beast was not fun.
I did sell it many years ago, but I sort of regret doing so.now. But I would not buy another one.
SNIP

Got it.   

And you're not that dainty.     I should find a pic of my uncle that fought in Vietnam.  I believe my aunty has a pic somewhere of him shooting a M1 Garand.  He's probably about 5' 2-3" ish and around 180 ish now, but back then it was probably no more than 120 ish.   

Got it.   

And you're not that dainty.     I should find a pic of my uncle that fought in Vietnam.  I believe my aunty has a pic somewhere of him shooting a M1 Garand.  He's probably about 5' 2-3" ish and around 180 ish now, but back then it was probably no more than 120 ish.   

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just joking. yeah I'm not that dainty, but hands are small and not very strong.
All my kids are bigger than me.

Mossberg mvp. Bolt felt like crap and had problems feeding rounds out of the pmag which was the whole reason i bought the rifle. Worked fine with the factory mag.

Mossberg mvp. Bolt felt like crap and had problems feeding rounds out of the pmag which was the whole reason i bought the rifle. Worked fine with the factory mag.

Wow, mine too.  After working the bolt like forever it finally runs smooth and feeds properly.  Works with my PMAG too now.

Wow, mine too.  After working the bolt like forever it finally runs smooth and feeds properly.  Works with my PMAG too now.

I just sold it think I only had it for 2 weeks. It was when they first came out n just bought another ar15 lol

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Yeah, my shooting buddy told me I should have bought a Rem 700 for the money and amount of time I spent on the MVP! Then what do I do?  Go out and buy the LC308.  Now that Mossberg is great out of the box!

I got stung by a sig mosquito


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Thanks to the crew @ Young Guns I avoided this.  I went in looking for a "Good 22", which meant looks goods because I didn't know any better.  The Salesman told me "I'll sell it to you but I wouldn't recommend it" then pointed me toward the Mark III Standard.  I thought  "Man that looks like shit" but over time I've learned to appreciate how reliable this Pistol is. 

Any HK Pistols. Because of Macsak. And I lost a match using a P7M8
Any Kel-Tec Product

Mossberg mvp. Bolt felt like crap and had problems feeding rounds out of the pmag which was the whole reason i bought the rifle. Worked fine with the factory mag.

Haven't heard much about the Mossberg MVP.  If I were to get another bolt gun, it will likely be a Savage though. 

Any HK Pistols. Because of Macsak. And I lost a match using a P7M8
Any Kel-Tec Product

Any partitular reasons for staying away from HK handguns?  Just curious.  My first handgun is an HK and I believe they make quality products.  They can be a bit pricey nowadays, but not outrageous, unless you're talking about the  MR 556.  I've also heard that their customer service gets a bad rap.  I've dealt with them twice.  Once for baseplates for mags and another when something in the action broke and they were great both times. 

What happened with the P7M8 the caused you to lose a match? 

Haven't heard much about the Mossberg MVP.  If I were to get another bolt gun, it will likely be a Savage though. 
Any partitular reasons for staying away from HK handguns?  Just curious.  My first handgun is an HK and I believe they make quality products.  They can be a bit pricey nowadays, but not outrageous, unless you're talking about the  MR 556.  I've also heard that their customer service gets a bad rap.  I've dealt with them twice.  Once for baseplates for mags and another when something in the action broke and they were great both times. 

What happened with the P7M8 the caused you to lose a match?

he's joking, 1000
well, except for the P7M8 thing
and he already sold it, so he cannot sell it to me
 

What happened with the P7M8 the caused you to lose a match?

Talking about me?

First....I forgot my mags at home for my Walther P4. Yes I shot IPSC and MPPL with it.
Normally get top 5 in stock pistol out of 25 guys. (This was in the late 80's/Early 90's)

SO.....I had to borrow my friends gun P7M8.  I have shot it before so I kinda knew it....

With the squeeze cock feature its harder to aim and pull the trigger and be consistant on double taps.
anyway I failed that day.  My fault.  but i'm sure with practice I would have become better.  When shooting
matches I would bring out strange pistols and became good with them. I even used a Luger and did really well.
you learn to change mags really fast.  When you use a modern gun like a SIG 226 all the hard lessons you learned with the
other pistols make it a lot easier to be fast and profiecent.

ACR - This is a hard one for me because I thought the rifle was amazing, ergonomics were really well thought out. A bit heavy but hey pistons are known to be so. But little aftermarket support and Bushmaster never producing caliber conversions really killed it for me. If they did rally behind the platform I'd probably buy it again. But after reading up on the ACR forum the ACR has become the neglected, bastard love child who is forced to live under the stairs. The SCAR has taken the limelight and really after shooting both I thought the ACR was a better fit for me at a more affordable price point. SO looks like I might go SCAR 16 when I win the lottery in Hawaii. 

Sig 2022 or any Sig pistol that is not a 1911. This is nothing to do with craftsmanship because sig is one of the top companies in the firearms industry. It's totally operator error, I cannot for the life of me not actuate the slide lock, causing the slide to go home on the last round. I've tried every sort of safe manipulation to get my thumb away from the slide lock. 

Beretta Px4 (40). First firearm I bought in Hawaii during the Newtown incident. I bought it because the LGS in the area were either sold out or marked up to a ridiculous price. I do like the platform but the 40 was too snappy for me which is why I won't get a G23. I'd probably buy the 9mm version for sure. Shot my buddies and it felt good and I did decent with it.

other than those sensitive points I've been pretty overall happy with my firearms I've purchased over the years.

Cheers,

What happened with the P7M8 the caused you to lose a match?

Talking about me?

First....I forgot my mags at home for my Walther P4. Yes I shot IPSC and MPPL with it.
Normally get top 5 in stock pistol out of 25 guys. (This was in the late 80's/Early 90's)

SO.....I had to borrow my friends gun P7M8.  I have shot it before so I kinda knew it....

With the squeeze cock feature its harder to aim and pull the trigger and be consistant on double taps.
anyway I failed that day.  My fault.  but i'm sure with practice I would have become better.  When shooting
matches I would bring out strange pistols and became good with them. I even used a Luger and did really well.
you learn to change mags really fast.  When you use a modern gun like a SIG 226 all the hard lessons you learned with the
other pistols make it a lot easier to be fast and profiecent.

Shoot what you got, that's what I say/think.  I recall someone shooting a 5 round snubby revolver in MPPL.  He took a while to reload, but other than that, he shot pretty good.  I shoot my 34 for IPSC, but I shot my 17 at first (it was I had at the time) and I would shoot a 19 if I had one. 

ACR - This is a hard one for me because I thought the rifle was amazing, ergonomics were really well thought out. A bit heavy but hey pistons are known to be so. But little aftermarket support and Bushmaster never producing caliber conversions really killed it for me. If they did rally behind the platform I'd probably buy it again. But after reading up on the ACR forum the ACR has become the neglected, bastard love child who is forced to live under the stairs. The SCAR has taken the limelight and really after shooting both I thought the ACR was a better fit for me at a more affordable price point. SO looks like I might go SCAR 16 when I win the lottery in Hawaii. 

Sig 2022 or any Sig pistol that is not a 1911. This is nothing to do with craftsmanship because sig is one of the top companies in the firearms industry. It's totally operator error, I cannot for the life of me not actuate the slide lock, causing the slide to go home on the last round. I've tried every sort of safe manipulation to get my thumb away from the slide lock. 

Beretta Px4 (40). First firearm I bought in Hawaii during the Newtown incident. I bought it because the LGS in the area were either sold out or marked up to a ridiculous price. I do like the platform but the 40 was too snappy for me which is why I won't get a G23. I'd probably buy the 9mm version for sure. Shot my buddies and it felt good and I did decent with it.

other than those sensitive points I've been pretty overall happy with my firearms I've purchased over the years.

Cheers,

I've seen a few YouTube videos of the ACR and it seems like a good/decent gun.  Never really interested me much though.  A SCAR L though, yes I'm interested.   

Funny you mention the Sig 2022.  One of my best friends has one.  It was his first gun and he got a 40.  He was having all sorts of malfunctions and was sent back to Sig a couple of times and he eventually got a new gun.  Anyways, he shoots it pretty well and remains his "go to" gun when we have straight accuracy competitions between us.  I think it's a decent gun, but somehow it felt cheap to me.  Well, it is an inexpensive gun when compared to their P series.