I like your posts.

I'm a responsible gun owner like all others on this site.
I won't advocate anything that is illegal.
But I will chaffe at the being  an idiot  that follows the rules
and I despise the Democrats in this state.
My legal means of killing the government is to keep cop pay
as low as possible, so none of them want to work here,
push for Oahu to waste all it's tax dollars on useless rail systems,
buy alternative energy systems that don't work, but are Green and
kill the tourist industry.
I'll be happy when all "Hawaiians" live in Clark county NV.
I take your tongue in cheek remark for what it says.
I'm your brother, but I don't think we are friends, yet.

Good to know we are all responsible gunowners. 
I will be at the state capitol rm.229 Monday at 6:30 PM  for Willy's meeting about guns.  Can meet up there and also meet other members.
You will probably call me unko instead of brother when you meet me.
All's good FBI.

Even though things don't look good now, I'm reminded that this is HI.   Remember the EX-Hawaii Health Connector and how successful it WAS?  Or how well rail is being managed?   
Get the feeling that the state and C&C will point fingers at each other thinking the other guy will handle.  Sometimes in the darkness gotta find some light.
Today made a donation to the strongest 2A supporter in the mayor's race. 

but the Governor said he reviewed it with his legal team....

That's the same legal team that told them
It was ok to make non citizens provide there own background check and it was ok to seize firearms that they already owned.

I'm on my phone and it's. 47 page document
But that being said I don't think they can use ran back the way they want to, if I'm reading this right they can only subscribe people with convictions or under investigation

Criminal Justice Agencies may only subscribe to persons under statutory or court ordered supervision or under authorized law enforcement investigations.
Criminal justice agencies are already trained on the controls in place regarding the appropriate use of CHRI obtained from their state criminal history repositories or from the CJIS criminal history files. The NGI Rap Back Service does not change any controls or any rules for the use of CHRI. As such, the criminal justice agencies are responsible for only using Rap Back to access NGI CHRI in situations under which they would be able to access it by other authorized means. That is, criminal justice agencies cannot set an NGI Rap Back subscription on an individual if they would not be authorized under current policy to run the on-line Interstate Identification Index (III) criminal history query transactions (QH/QR) on the person at present and for the anticipated duration of the supervision or investigation.

I'm on my phone and it's. 47 page document
But that being said I don't think they can use ran back the way they want to, if I'm reading this right they can only subscribe people with convictions or under investigation.

I wouldn't hold my breath.  You and I have experienced first hand the powers that be doing whatever they want to do.

I'm on my phone and it's. 47 page document
But that being said I don't think they can use ran back the way they want to, if I'm reading this right they can only subscribe people with convictions or under investigation

Criminal Justice Agencies may only subscribe to persons under statutory or court ordered supervision or under authorized law enforcement investigations.
Criminal justice agencies are already trained on the controls in place regarding the appropriate use of CHRI obtained from their state criminal history repositories or from the CJIS criminal history files. The NGI Rap Back Service does not change any controls or any rules for the use of CHRI. As such, the criminal justice agencies are responsible for only using Rap Back to access NGI CHRI in situations under which they would be able to access it by other authorized means. That is, criminal justice agencies cannot set an NGI Rap Back subscription on an individual if they would not be authorized under current policy to run the on-line Interstate Identification Index (III) criminal history query transactions (QH/QR) on the person at present and for the anticipated duration of the supervision or investigation.

Here's some more ...

Reason for Subscription
The Subscribing Agency may only subscribe to persons under statutory or court ordered supervision or under authorized investigations.
Investigative subscriptions can only be established in relation to law enforcement cases that have been assigned an official agency case number
and that still have a charge not beyond its statute of limitations.[/quote]

If they are lumping gun owners in with "persons under statutory [...] supervision," that's just wrong!

Quote

For subscriptions on individuals under supervision (probation, parole, sex offender, etc.)

I left Hawaii November of last year, I registered my firearms back in 2012. Does this have any affect on me? Will there be a class action lawsuit?

I left Hawaii November of last year, I registered my firearms back in 2012. Does this have any affect on me? Will there be a class action lawsuit?

We dont know if they are going to try and retroactively add people to the list,  I would send HPD a letter stating you no longer own firearms in the state and wish to be removed from any and all registration documents
 

I left Hawaii November of last year, I registered my firearms back in 2012. Does this have any affect on me? Will there be a class action lawsuit?

    I purchased a firearm in Hawaii for my daughter and brought it to her in the mainland (legal exchange between immediate family members in that state). 
I asked HPD if they needed anything form me and was told " Once it leaves the state, we don't care". 
I did get a receipt for the firearm from her though just  to cover my bases. 

  With the recent laws signed by Iggy, I will be moving ALL  but one of our firearms back to the mainland.
Will probably follow in time.                  

Read some of the "comments" in the mainland newspapers and blogs regarding the new laws.
 A LOT of folks just canceled their vacations to Hawaii.
Nice job Iggy. 

Read some of the "comments" in the mainland newspapers and blogs regarding the new laws.
 A LOT of folks just canceled their vacations to Hawaii.
Nice job Iggy. 

I wish everyone who owns a gun did not visit antigun states like HI, CA, NJ, NY etc and took the time to email the governor why they decided to go somewhere else.  I wonder how many tourist  $$ that would amount to.   Realistically, that will never happen.

    I purchased a firearm in Hawaii for my daughter and brought it to her in the mainland (legal exchange between immediate family members in that state). 
I asked HPD if they needed anything form me and was told " Once it leaves the state, we don't care". 
I did get a receipt for the firearm from her though just  to cover my bases. 

  With the recent laws signed by Iggy, I will be moving ALL  but one of our firearms back to the mainland.
Will probably follow in time.                  

Removing all but one seems redundant, that one would still be enough to put you in the data base.....

We dont know if they are going to try and retroactively add people to the list,  I would send HPD a letter stating you no longer own firearms in the state and wish to be removed from any and all registration documents

Based on the FBI's rules and the Privacy Act, they have to notify you your fingerprints will be added to the NGI/RAP-BACK database.  Since they never did that for previous registrations, the only way they can "fix" that is try to invalidate the registrations so you have to come in and re-register the guns.  Just sending out a form to sign won't work because they already completed the registration.  Unless you no longer qualify to own guns, they can't revoke a valid registration for not signing a form that didn't exist before this month!

The policy does not require consent simpler notification,  they could mail you a letter notifying you along with a bill for the $13

The policy does not require consent simpler notification,  they could mail you a letter notifying you along with a bill for the $13

Suppose you refuse to pay? 

The policy does not require consent simpler notification,  they could mail you a letter notifying you along with a bill for the $13

Hmmmm, I wonder if there's anyone out there that will write a letter stating, "I'm moving now."  This $13 and stripping of my rights will cost you thousands now. Great business decision.  "

The policy does not require consent simpler notification,  they could mail you a letter notifying you along with a bill for the $13

Well, the Privacy Act of 1974 (2015 edition) calls that authorized disclosure.  In simple terms, the State of Hawaii cannot disclose personal information to the FBI's RAP-BACK system before notifying the owner of the data (you).  That affords you the opportunity to decide whether you want to provide that information on the application.  While it may result in delay or denial of the application, they can't force you to authorize release to outside parties.

Consent does not have to be explicitly given through a separate signature or initialed box.  It can be added to the instructions of the application: "By providing this information, you consent to having your fingerprints entered into the FBI NGI RAP-BACK system for monitoring by HPD." or something similar.

Since that horse already left the barn, they can not go back in time and force you to participate under threat of revoking an existing  registration.

And you guys are surprise that  the government pull a fast one on all of us, trust me some of these bills theirs more gun afirmitive action all hidden in bills just that politicians know how to hide it under people's eyes, sneaky politicians, welcome to the Game of Arms, politicians using big words to hide their agenda under certain bills and they wash it with other bills so no one notice, it goes on in congress it goes on every where, while the Florida shootings was going on with all the commotions, politicians pull one fast one on everyone in Hawaii, it troubles me that this happen but we live in a democratic state, and we have to take it, if this was a republic control state this stuff would not fly, politicians would shoot down these bills before it get to the floor.

Based on the FBI's rules and the Privacy Act, they have to notify you your fingerprints will be added to the NGI/RAP-BACK database.  Since they never did that for previous registrations, the only way they can "fix" that is try to invalidate the registrations so you have to come in and re-register the guns.  Just sending out a form to sign won't work because they already completed the registration.  Unless you no longer qualify to own guns, they can't revoke a valid registration for not signing a form that didn't exist before this month!

How do you know so much about the privacy act?

Well, the Privacy Act of 1974 (2015 edition) calls that authorized disclosure.  In simple terms, the State of Hawaii cannot disclose personal information to the FBI's RAP-BACK system before notifying the owner of the data (you).  That affords you the opportunity to decide whether you want to provide that information on the application.  While it may result in delay or denial of the application, they can't force you to authorize release to outside parties.

Consent does not have to be explicitly given through a separate signature or initialed box.  It can be added to the instructions of the application: "By providing this information, you consent to having your fingerprints entered into the FBI NGI RAP-BACK system for monitoring by HPD." or something similar.

Since that horse already left the barn, they can not go back in time and force you to participate under threat of revoking an existing  registration.

  §134-3  Registration, mandatory, exceptions

 (b) All registration data that would identify the individual registering the firearm by name or address shall be confidential and shall not be disclosed to anyone, except as may be required for processing the registration or as may be required by a law enforcement agency for the lawful performance of its duties or as may be required by order of a court.

Adding you to the data base could/would be considered lawful performance of its duties

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ALso

(b) CONDITIONS OF DISCLOSURE.—No agency
shall disclose any record which is contained in a
system of records by any means of communication
to any person, or to another agency, except
pursuant to a written request by, or with the
prior written consent of, the individual to whom
the record pertains, unless disclosure of the
record would be—

(3) for a routine use as defined in subsection
(a)(7) of this section and described under subsection
(e)(4)(D) of this section;
(7) the term ‘‘routine use’’ means, with respect
to the disclosure of a record, the use of
such record for a purpose which is compatible
with the purpose for which it was collected

also
(7) to another agency or to an instrumentality
of any governmental jurisdiction within or
under the control of the United States for a
civil or criminal law enforcement activity if
the activity is authorized by law, and if the
head of the agency or instrumentality has
made a written request to the agency which
maintains the record specifying the particular
portion desired and the law enforcement activity
for which the record is sought;