Hey guys,

Im getting alot of questions from youtube via email.  People are watching whats going on here.  Does anyone know what we are doing to overturn this here?  Or even if any efforts are being made?

Do we have a firm number of how much its going to cost?
Are you forever on the rap back list?  example: Lets say you sell all your guns Or are a visitor from another state hunting.
Do teachers and health care people pay for being in rap back? if not why should we?

Apparently the charge is going to be $13.00, for a lifetime "membership".

Yes, just like wiping your butt with a hoop, or registering your guns in Hawaii, it will go on forever.

Teachers and healthcare workers? No clue bro.

Talked to NRA-ILA this morning. They said they are still looking into it.

Not sure what that means. Hope this thing gets flipped.

I did ask the question about if you are already in the current system, and you don't register anything after 1st, will you be on the rap back?

The guy I was talking too said likely not by the verbage, he put me on hold and asked someone else, who said the same thing.

Not sure how true any of this is.  Frustrating really.

"Overturning" this will be a process that will include a legal challenge that will cost tens of thousands of dollars....it will be interesting to see the response when the request for financial support goes out....

"Overturning" this will be a process that will include a legal challenge that will cost tens of thousands of dollars....it will be interesting to see the response when the request for financial support goes out....

I will be donating.  And I refuse consent of being put on any federal list.

I will be donating.  And I refuse consent of being put on any federal list.

I can confirm there will be a fee EVERYTIME you register a firearm, Not sure how much this is going to be,

What absolutely enrages me is that these "lawmakers" will make a law that

1. is in direct violation of the Constitution or

2. has a precedent about putting people in a database already ruled on by the SCOTUS

but they make the law anyways and it is up to the citizens to bring suit and try to prove them wrong.  WTF?  That is not the way our system is supposed to act.

why would we have to pay with every registration if its a lifetime on the list?

why would we have to pay with every registration if its a lifetime on the list?

Although you are lifetime on the list, They are required by law to run a background check on you with every registration and the check is with diffrent agenecys who charge fees, The law now allows them to charge you for the fees and the time taken and as such im sure they will

so does this now shorten our 2 week waiting period since its in a national data base?

i understand the purpose behind this bill.  but i call bullshit. we dont need to be put on a list in order for there to be transparency. 

last time i checked picking up the phone was a good option.  "Hello, is this Mrs. Hawaii this is Officer Smith from Las Vegas PD. im calling because your son Russell has been bad , can you come and get him"

so does this now shorten our 2 week waiting period since its in a national data base?

It should eliminate it apart from the medical part,

Although you are lifetime on the list, They are required by law to run a background check on you with every registration and the check is with diffrent agenecys who charge fees, The law now allows them to charge you for the fees and the time taken and as such im sure they will

Where does that new fee come from? Not through rap back but something new at the state level?

Where did the costs of running the same or similar checks come from in the past?

Where does that new fee come from? Not through rap back but something new at the state level?

Where did the costs of running the same or similar checks come from in the past?

So the law used to read (Important parts in bold)
No fee shall be charged for permits, or applications for permits, under this section, except for a single fee chargeable by and payable to the issuing county, for individuals applying for their first permit, in an amount equal to the fee actually charged by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the issuing police department for a fingerprint check in connection with that application or permit.

It now reads,

No fee shall be charged for permits, or applications for permits, under this section, except for a single fee chargeable by and payable to the issuing county, for individuals applying for their first permit, in an amount equal to the fee  charged by the Hawaii criminal justice data center pursuant to section 846-2.7. 

So they removed the word actual and changed who the payment went to. The fee can now included processing and handling fees and can be as high as they can justify for the cost of completing the background check, Previously the FBI charged a 1 time fee for entering and checking the finger prints and that was it, The background check was actually ran useing NICS which is required by federal law and is Free to them to use.

Now when they do a background check they have to use "International Justice and Public Safety Network, including the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement query, the National Crime Information Center, and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System"

So the law used to read (Important parts in bold)
No fee shall be charged for permits, or applications for permits, under this section, except for a single fee chargeable by and payable to the issuing county, for individuals applying for their first permit, in an amount equal to the fee actually charged by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the issuing police department for a fingerprint check in connection with that application or permit.

It now reads,

No fee shall be charged for permits, or applications for permits, under this section, except for a single fee chargeable by and payable to the issuing county, for individuals applying for their first permit, in an amount equal to the fee  charged by the Hawaii criminal justice data center pursuant to section 846-2.7. 

So they removed the word actual and changed who the payment went to. The fee can now included processing and handling fees and can be as high as they can justify for the cost of completing the background check, Previously the FBI charged a 1 time fee for entering and checking the finger prints and that was it, The background check was actually ran useing NICS which is required by federal law and is Free to them to use.

Now when they do a background check they have to use "International Justice and Public Safety Network, including the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement query, the National Crime Information Center, and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System"

Oh, I see now... clever bastards.

If the fee becomes large enough, we may have grounds to object on constitutional grounds that we are being charged money to exercise a right and argue it isn't some minor processing fee. Imagine if we were forced to pay to vote! It wouldn't fly.

"Hawaii criminal justice data center pursuant to section 846-2.7"


$$$$$$

Notice what they did there....

HPD won't get a stinking dime from me. Will not be buying anymore guns (got to many anyways) and will turn in my long gun permit once they start the system or when it expires, whichever comes first. Will take any mailed correspondance they may send me (like thier home security system bill they send every year, which I throw in the round file) and will file it under B.S. and round file it....screw them...

It is a violation of the privacy act of 1974 and therefore a fourth amendment violation.  It is tantamount to seizure of your PII without probable cause. 

It is a violation of the privacy act of 1974 and therefore a fourth amendment violation.  It is tantamount to seizure of your PII without probable cause.

From my New understanding  it's only going to be for new permits and registrations, and they are going to make you sign a release for the Data transfer, no release, no permit or registration with will give them cause to seize your firearms.