you already took an oath to protect the constitution
see article iii
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/pdfs/StandardsofConduct-10-16-2015-11-07-55.pdf

would you take an oath to not obey these orders?
https://www.oathkeepers.org/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/

A lot of interesting replies here regarding where the "line" is. But I think everyone has become a little bore sighted on that particular question.

With recent national events taken into consideration, how about answering the question of "How close do you think we are?"
London 808 doesn't seem to feel we're that close, I think we're right up against the line. Where do you think we're at?

you already took an oath to protect the constitution
see article iii
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/pdfs/StandardsofConduct-10-16-2015-11-07-55.pdf

would you take an oath to not obey these orders?
https://www.oathkeepers.org/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/

So here is a question for everyone if you so choose to answer:

If you wait until they start confiscation or pass confiscation legislation before you draw the line, isn't that a little too late? Havn't they already won by that point?

A lot of interesting replies here regarding where the "line" is. But I think everyone has become a little bore sighted on that particular question.

With recent national events taken into consideration, how about answering the question of "How close do you think we are?"
London 808 doesn't seem to feel we're that close, I think we're right up against the line. Where do you think we're at?

My Glock fell out of the holster while I was riding my ATV on my friend's 100 acre ranch.  I have looking for it but haven't had any luck.  I will turn it in when I find it, or you guys can try find it.

Mac,

This is the same guy that refuses to join the NRA, HRA and HDF (for free) because he "doesn't agree with with something on their webpage". Sound familiar? Even though he can never say what it is exactly he disagrees with...

He is not interested in doing the right thing for the good of all (the republic). He is only interested in what is best for his narcissistic self. JMHO

 

My Glock fell out of the holster while I was riding my ATV on my friend's 100 acre ranch.  I have looking for it but haven't had any luck.  I will turn it in when I find it, or you guys can try find it.

A lot of interesting replies here regarding where the "line" is. But I think everyone has become a little bore sighted on that particular question.

With recent national events taken into consideration, how about answering the question of "How close do you think we are?"
London 808 doesn't seem to feel we're that close, I think we're right up against the line. Where do you think we're at?

I never said I wasn't going to join the HRA, I said I didn't know enough about it and wanted to make an informed decision before joining so you are wrong there. You are half right about my position on the NRA, I didn't like their stance on some issues and I had read people's complaints of harassing calls asking for donations. I have attended two gatherings at the state capital in the interest of protecting gun rights. Edster can vouch for me and so can JI808. Were you there?

Good idea but I am going to have to come up with 8 equally plausible and diverse stories to cover all my guns.

Boating accident...

Its not that i dont feel we are close, IMO we have over stepped the mark already, If what was happening now happened 20 years ago we would be at war already,

Totally agree.


The problem is the government has spent the past 2 decades dumbing down the education system teaching liberalism and socialism and essentially dumbing down the last 2 generations.

I think there is more to the story than simply the teaching of the various ideological "-isms" that has led to the societal problems we currently face.

You mentioned that if today's problems occurred as early as 20 years ago, the potential of civil war was a high probability.  The reason for that was not necessarily because of the absence of liberalism and/or socialism in the school system, but rather people back then were far less brainwashed with US infallibility.

Since WWII, this country has indoctrinated its citizenry of the infallibility of the US; hence, anything and everything the US does at home or abroad was brainwashed into the US psyche as always being righteous.  This had a double-edged effect of making the masses accept whatever those in power wanted.  In many cases like the championing of individual freedom, rights to due process, and possibility of social mobility among the masses was without a doubt beneficial to the US and furthered the infallibility dogma.

However, more recent actions led by greedy corrupt politicians/businessmen/ideologues/cultists that led to such things like the illegal overthrows, propping up dictators, and imperial wars of aggression in the foreign area and the slow erosion and morphing of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights here at home went unfortunately unopposed by the masses including conservatives because of that brainwashing.  Let us not forget that the Patriot Act that was an attack to our sacred "due process of law" was drafted good, bad, or indifferent by the Republicans who were supposed to be more inclined not to subvert the Bill of Rights.

If both the liberal and conservative masses 20+ years ago would have taken to the streets if faced with today's social problems, it is indeed eye-opening that not even the ultra-conservatives of today are marching as fervently like their forefathers in the past.


any action taken to better the country needs to have the support of the people, Otherwise instead of a freedom fighter you are a terrorist, The problem we have is the left has blinded the population so much that the support is not there and im not sure if will ever be there again.

Once again, it is not the left that is solely at fault.  When you have the majority of a nation's citizenry (i.e., the sheeple) believing in the righteousness of its government regardless which "-ism" is in power, organizing citizen action to correct those government-caused problems will be near impossible.


My previosu comments was only to do with kicking in doors and forcibly taking guns,

Dident think it was legal to have a gun on a boat ?

Place of sojourn. Was going to an outer island for target practice.

Dont work with cars why would that work with  boat