Oh wait. He was a black guy. He must have done something wrong. It's disgusting how some members of the gun rights community see themselves as champions of the constitution but always seem to ending up explaining away situations like this when it's someone of a darker complexion with a funny sounding name. The issue is if they can do this to one of us and get away with it then we are all in danger, and those who only defend the rights of people like themselves are way more damaging to the credibility of the movement than any Anti could ever be.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shot-dead-minn-police-traffic-stop-article-1.2701935

Oh wait. He was a black guy. He must have done something wrong. It's disgusting how some members of the gun rights community see themselves as champions of the constitution but always seem to ending up explaining away situations like this when it's someone of a darker complexion with a funny sounding name. The issue is if they can do this to one of us and get away with it then we are all in danger, and those who only defend the rights of people like themselves are way more damaging to the credibility of the movement than any Anti could ever be.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shot-dead-minn-police-traffic-stop-article-1.2701935

I don't buy it.

Where is the video leading up to the shooting? Where is the video proving that he didn't get into an argument with the officer or gave him attitude or egged him on, then said fck it and reached for his wallet anway, even after the officer told him not to do so due to officer safety?

That always seems to be the case these days.

Maybe you can explain why its always "someone of a darker complexion" that is always playing stupid games then winning stupid prizes, and then playing victim when they could have completely avoided the situation by 1) exercising common sense and 2) abiding by the officer's requests.

Oh, and a side note: if he did inform the officer he was concealed carrying, he should have kept his hands away from his firearm and asked to officer if he would like to remove the firearm from his person, all while keeping his hands on the dash and/or in plain sight out of the window. Its usually SOP for officers to assume that an armed individual is reaching for their firearm, and to respond with extreme prejudice to neutralize a potential threat.

The real question then becomes: would you have made a post if the driver instead shot the police officer?

A LEGALLY Licensed CC (no criminal record)  who works as a cafeteria supervisor at a Montessori school a a passenger with GF and child in car which gets pulled over for a busted tail light shot while still wearing seat belt gets shot . 

Look at the whole situation with out color.

Add this one to the baton Rouge shooting where the VICTIM was pinned to the ground by 2 PDO's and shot dead. and you have a nice recipe for some type of "action". 

Besides no video leading up to the shots. At  about 7:00 into the video "They shot him four times. He's License to carry. We had a busted tail light. And we had some weed in the car. That's about it."

She showed more concern about her phone than her 4 year old daughter who was in the car the entire time

A LEGALLY Licensed CC (no criminal record)  who works as a cafeteria supervisor at a Montessori school a a passenger with GF and child in car which gets pulled over for a busted tail light shot while still wearing seat belt gets shot . 

Look at the whole situation with out color.

Add this one to the baton Rouge shooting where the VICTIM was pinned to the ground by 2 PDO's and shot dead. and you have a nice recipe for some type of "action". 

Wouldn't call the baton rouge one a victim. He had a illegal gun last time I checked.  Don't do crime then reach for a gun when you got two cops on you. Or you get shot

The problem with these situations is, as has been stated, we never get to see what lead up to the incident.

Sudden movements, hands not in sight, reaching for a phone, wallet, or registration .... if the officer has his hand on his weapon, it's best to ask if it's okay to reach for whatever.  If the Cop is nervous, he'll give instructions on what to do when.  He may have you exit the vehicle and relieve you of the weapon to keep your hands away from it.

Just because there is a woman with a child in the car in no way guarantees the male won't pull a gun to get away.  For all the Cop knows, he could have carjacked the woman and child and has no problem putting them in more danger. 

I can't give an opinion about what went wrong, since we are only getting the second half of one side of the story.  What I mentioned above is meant to be "in general", not speculating on this case.

Guy reaches for his wallet after telling the cops he has a gun, Cop says dont move, He moves.......... What else would you expect to happen,

So according to the lady doing an interview on CNN,

He asked for licence and registration, the BF has his wallet in his back pocket, As hes reaching for his pocket he tells the cop "Officer i have a firearm on me"  She then begins yelling that hes licensed to carry, Cop begins shooting.

Im gona go with her yelling killed her BF, Cop says in original video "I told him not to reach for it, i told him to get his hand of it." So im going with this dumb ass woman yelling means the BF either paniked or dident hear the officer, Whips his arm up from behind him/under him and the cop starts shooting.

That always seems to be the case these days.

Maybe you can explain why its always "someone of a darker complexion" that is always playing stupid games then winning stupid prizes, and then playing victim when they could have completely avoided the situation by 1) exercising common sense and 2) abiding by the officer's requests.

I have actually heard people say that the reason crime in Hawaii is low is because we don't have a lot of black people. It's the kind of institutionalized racist thinking that ignores fact like it's easier for a white guy with a felony to get a job than a black guy with a community college degree, and that they are killed in disproportionate numbers often involving lesser crimes or for no reason at all. It's easier to blame it on some genetic condition rather than admit that the State supports racist policies because it makes it easier to take away rights from everybody. It starts out as "it's ok just those people get problems, not me" until the exceptions become the rule and then it's too late.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/philando-castile-falcon-heights-shooting.html?_r=0

I have actually heard people say that the reason crime in Hawaii is low is because we don't have a lot of black people. It's the kind of institutionalized racist thinking that ignores fact like it's easier for a white guy with a felony to get a job than a black guy with a community college degree, and that they are killed in disproportionate numbers often involving lesser crimes or for no reason at all. It's easier to blame it on some genetic condition rather than admit that the State supports racist policies because it makes it easier to take away rights from everybody. It starts out as "it's ok just those people get problems, not me" until the exceptions become the rule and then it's too late.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/philando-castile-falcon-heights-shooting.html?_r=0

Blacks commit more crime than whites proportionately. This does two things:
1) It puts black people in contact with police in negative encounters more often.
2) It makes cops more likely to be suspicious of a black person. Not because of some intentional racist reasoning, but because the human brain sees patterns and evaluates risk subconsciously. This is a survival mechanism. Unfortunately it does go off perceptions and stereotypes, but is something that will always happen and the best we can do is try to account for it.

This does put black males at a disadvantage of sorts when coming into contact with police, but not because of racism. If cops interact with black suspects more often because there are more black criminals then of course you are going to see disproportionate instances of force used.

Police murdering innocent blacks at some significant rate is a myth perpetuated by leaders and people in the media. Yes there have been unjustified shootings and murders by police of black people but they are not at all as common as the media would have us believe. Look at the way they portrayed the Zimmerman case. He wasn't a cop but it still fit their "innocent black people getting murdered" mantra.

Consider one study in Washington where they found that cops hesitated longer before shooting a black suspect than a white suspect.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/04/27/this-study-found-race-matters-in-police-shootings-but-the-results-may-surprise-you/

That's a canned study where cops are well aware their racial bias is being evaluated. Not very useful other than proving that cops are aware of basic pr and looking good on tests.

You are saying blacks are more likely to commit crimes but that's not true at all. They are more likely to get arrested and convicted, with much harsher sentencing. This shows a clear pattern of institutionalized racism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-farbota/black-crime-rates-your-st_b_8078586.html

Add this one to the baton Rouge shooting where the VICTIM was pinned to the ground by 2 PDO's and shot dead. and you have a nice recipe for some type of "action". 

In that event, he was a felon in possession of an illegal firearm. He was also a sex offender who was convicted for a sex crime with a minor. He was no angel as made out by the pop media

This one could go either way for the cop.

The problem may have been with training.  Not sure if this is the case, but I think there is a problem with Constitutional Carry states and others that have minimal training requirements where people don't get the proper training.  People may not know what to do when stopped by a cop or having to actually use their handgun in a defensive situation.  They just assume having a gun (trained or not) will help them.

In that event, he was a felon in possession of an illegal firearm. He was also a sex offender who was convicted for a sex crime with a minor. He was no angel as made out by the pop media

He was also no devil. She was 14 and he was 20. They stayed together and he helped support the kids. He had some rough times but that was behind him. Concealed carry of a firearm was a crime, but it was still in his pocket when they shot him. He was probably just struggling to breathe at that point and started to panic.

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/07/07/many-die-raise-level-law-enforcement-training/

"The simple fact of the matter is that if more people knew how little training officers were required to have with their deadliest tools, they’d be appalled."

He was also no devil. She was 14 and he was 20. They stayed together and he helped support the kids. He had some rough times but that was behind him. Concealed carry of a firearm was a crime, but it was still in his pocket when they shot him. He was probably just struggling to breathe at that point and started to panic.

How would you affect the arrest? He was illegally carrying a firearm. How would you handle the situation with regards to safety?

Just looking at the video it seems much too similar to other cases where the escalation went from 0 to 150 in about 2 seconds. That's ok if you live in a place where nobody values life very much but I'm pretty sure what all the protests are saying is that people in those neighborhoods don't like being treated as domesticated wildlife in a canned hunt reserve. Why escalate so fast? How do like it when officer meathead starts accusing you of shit before you get a chance to open your mouth and pawing at his gun like this is going to be the best thing that happened to him all day?

This case is F*CKED UP man.

This person was shot for absolutely no good reason it seems. It seems crazy that he would try to draw on a drawn gun (if that was the case, which seems very unlikely).

I don't understand why he would be trying to dig out his ID or whatever. Did the cop ask him to?

Why would he not just put his hands up and freeze?

It just doesn't make sense.

We may all be commenting on things we have no idea about, (no) thanks to the media.

All I know is if hvybarrels was a cop he would be dead by now.  His last famous words "he was only reaching into his pocket for a gun, probably was going to turn it over so not to inconvenience me while trying to resist arrest"


In all seriousness lets put on our thinking caps.  Its not hard to do the math.  Threaten people with a gun + cops getting called about said crime + trying to escape + resisting arrest + reaching for gun while resisting arrest = dead bad guy


As for the CC legal case, that's more unknown from what I gather his wife was hollering and he panicked which lead to the cop panicking and shooting him. 


Edit* realized this was a thread about the cc carry case in the car not the resisting arrest one.

Hey I found some crucial new info (from CNN of all places):

The officer still sounds distressed as he explains, "I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand off it."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/

And, very pertinent (for their agenda):

Castile's mother said that he and his sister had stopped by her house earlier Wednesday. During the visit, they had discussed the dangers of carrying weapons, even though both of them have concealed carry permits.
"I really don't even want to carry my gun because I'm afraid that they'll shoot me first and then ask questions later," Valerie Castile eerily recalled her daughter saying.

Blacks commit more crime than whites proportionately. This does two things:
1) It puts black people in contact with police in negative encounters more often.
2) It makes cops more likely to be suspicious of a black person. Not because of some intentional racist reasoning, but because the human brain sees patterns and evaluates risk subconsciously. This is a survival mechanism. Unfortunately it does go off perceptions and stereotypes, but is something that will always happen and the best we can do is try to account for it.

This does put black males at a disadvantage of sorts when coming into contact with police, but not because of racism. If cops interact with black suspects more often because there are more black criminals then of course you are going to see disproportionate instances of force used.

Police murdering innocent blacks at some significant rate is a myth perpetuated by leaders and people in the media. Yes there have been unjustified shootings and murders by police of black people but they are not at all as common as the media would have us believe. Look at the way they portrayed the Zimmerman case. He wasn't a cop but it still fit their "innocent black people getting murdered" mantra.

Consider one study in Washington where they found that cops hesitated longer before shooting a black suspect than a white suspect.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/04/27/this-study-found-race-matters-in-police-shootings-but-the-results-may-surprise-you/

Sound logic

You only hear stories of "innocent black boys who did nothing wrong"  cause the media is very bias.  Doesn't matter if they are a career criminal nah hears a picture when they were 10, look how good he was.  No one wants to hear about that white dude that got shot.   That doesn't bring in the views and the cash.