The Traveling round : civil disobedience (Read 9225 times)

London808

The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« on: July 18, 2016, 11:25:32 AM »
This round (and his friends) will be traveling with me and taking photos,

"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Inspector

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2016, 11:37:14 AM »
This round (and his friends) will be traveling with me and taking photos,


Kinda like "Flat Stanley"???
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2016, 11:47:17 AM »
I've had a random 9 mm in my pocket make it all the way through the wash more than a couple of times. . .  :wacko:

What is the penalty for possession of ammunition?  Beyond the "places to keep"?  I only found the penalty for possession of a loaded firearms as a felony, but not just ammunition. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2016, 11:55:56 AM »
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0027.htm

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     [§134-27]  Place to keep ammunition; penalty.  (a)  Except as provided in sections 134-5 and 134-9, all ammunition shall be confined to the possessor's place of business, residence, or sojourn; provided that it shall be lawful to carry ammunition in an enclosed container from the place of purchase to the purchaser's place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and the following:

     (1)  A place of repair;

     (2)  A target range;

     (3)  A licensed dealer's place of business;

     (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

     (5)  A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or

     (6)  A police station.

     "Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the ammunition.

     (b)  Any person violating this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. [L 2006, c 66, pt of §1]

 

Case Notes

 

  Discussed:  911 F. Supp. 2d 972 (2012).

Exceptions:
§134-5  Possession by licensed hunters and minors; target shooting; game hunting.
§134-9  Licenses to carry.

« Last Edit: July 18, 2016, 12:05:45 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2016, 12:04:51 PM »
SNIP

Thanks, I knew it was in there somewhere.  I just did a quick scan and I think I just looked at 134-23 (or some other section). 

oldfart

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2016, 12:17:01 PM »
From the contour and tool marks, that looks like something that you made on your press.
If it contains no powder or primer then you should be fine.
You will probably be detained at an airport though.
Unless you devise a removable screw mount for a keychain.
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2016, 12:23:34 PM »
From the contour and tool marks, that looks like something that you made on your press.
If it contains no powder or primer then you should be fine.
You will probably be detained at an airport though.
Unless you devise a removable screw mount for a keychain.

I'm almost positive I've read ammo components are also forbidden in the passenger section.  Has to be checked in.

I guess one guy brings the hardware, another guy smuggles in a bit of powder, meet in the lavatory and put it all together?   :wacko:

From another forum, comment by someone claiming to be in airport security:

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No part of a firearm, bullets or powder can be carried on your person or in your carry-on bag. Technically, an empty case should not be a problem but I personally wouldn't do it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

London808

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2016, 12:50:15 PM »
I am fully aware of what the law say, Thank you
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

robtmc

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2016, 07:47:36 PM »
Thanks, I knew it was in there somewhere.  I just did a quick scan and I think I just looked at 134-23 (or some other section).
Virtually everything can be defined as being between these places, no mentions of detours not being allowed.............

macsak

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2016, 08:38:33 PM »
Virtually everything can be defined as being between these places, no mentions of detours not being allowed.............

it's ONLY those places, and transit between them, with no stops except the gas station

London808

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2016, 08:52:21 PM »
it's ONLY those places, and transit between them, with no stops except the gas station

where is the Gas station  exception in the law ?
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2016, 08:55:47 PM »
where is the Gas station  exception in the law ?

Common sense clause.  Rather you stop there than the side of the road -- out of gas calling AAA.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

London808

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2016, 09:00:35 PM »
From the contour and tool marks, that looks like something that you made on your press.
If it contains no powder or primer then you should be fine.
You will probably be detained at an airport though.
Unless you devise a removable screw mount for a keychain.

18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(17)(A)
The term “Ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm.

that is the legal defintion of Ammunition (Hawaii doesnt have its own so would default to the federal law as it does with SBR's ect....)

This could make any object made from any component designed for shooting (modified or otherwise) illegal to possess anywhere outside of the allowed places

My motorcycle keys,
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2016, 09:01:23 PM »
Common sense clause.  Rather you stop there than the side of the road -- out of gas calling AAA.
If there was a common sens clause it would be this law is unconstitutional and stupid and we would just ignore it (hence what i am doing here)
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

macsak

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2016, 09:05:14 PM »
where is the Gas station  exception in the law ?

it's case law, according to what we were taught

London808

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2016, 11:48:59 AM »
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2016, 11:49:13 AM »
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2016, 11:49:31 AM »
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

zippz

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2016, 12:13:27 PM »
Paint a happy face on the bullet and name it.  "Bullet Head"?

oldfart

Re: The Traveling round : civil disobedience
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2016, 02:41:36 PM »
Outstanding :thumbsup:
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