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Rocky

"Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« on: July 21, 2016, 10:08:20 AM »
Link from "Baton Rouge assassin's guns" post..
Must read.  :crazy:

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/07/charles_kinsey_shot_hands_up.html#incart_most-read_crime_article

 :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: 

    Even scarier is he fired 3 rounds from 30 ft at a guy laying still on the ground and hit him once in the leg .
:shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake:
« Last Edit: July 21, 2016, 10:14:39 AM by Rocky »
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London808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2016, 10:20:58 AM »
Im wondering if this was a Negligent Discharge from a select fire weapon ? Explains why multiple shots and only 1 hit, Explains why the guy laying on the ground with his hands in the air was shot to start with.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2016, 10:42:21 AM »
Quote from: London808 on July 21, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
Im wondering if this was a Negligent Discharge from a select fire weapon ? Explains why multiple shots and only 1 hit, Explains why the guy laying on the ground with his hands in the air was shot to start with.

Police only hit an average of 20% - 50% of the things (people) they aim for.  Very possible they were aiming at the other person and missed. 

Doesn't explain why any of the Cops should have discharged a weapon at that point.  No one appeared to be in danger other than the 2 with guns pointed at them!
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Rocky

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2016, 10:55:13 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Police only hit an average of 20% - 50% of the things (people) they aim for.  Very possible they were aiming at the other person and missed. 

Doesn't explain why any of the Cops should have discharged a weapon at that point.  No one appeared to be in danger other than the 2 with guns pointed at them!

Stolen from post comments...

"Standard police excuses that will be used...

resisting arrest...cant use that one

had a weapon...cant use that one

threatening act...cant use that one

aggressive move toward officer...cant use that one

failure to comply...cant use that one

violent criminal.... cant use that one

broken tail light ...cant use that one

acting suspiciously...cant use that one

fit the description of a suspect ...cant use that one

Wow what are we going to say ????



Hmmmm...oh I got it...it was an accident...wait ...no....gun was fired thee times...dang it

ok... figured it out...#ALLLIVESMATTER


REALLY"
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London808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2016, 11:23:14 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on July 21, 2016, 10:55:13 AM
Stolen from post comments...

"Standard police excuses that will be used...

resisting arrest...cant use that one

had a weapon...cant use that one

threatening act...cant use that one

aggressive move toward officer...cant use that one

failure to comply...cant use that one

violent criminal.... cant use that one

broken tail light ...cant use that one

acting suspiciously...cant use that one

fit the description of a suspect ...cant use that one

Wow what are we going to say ????



Hmmmm...oh I got it...it was an accident...wait ...no....gun was fired thee times...dang it

ok... figured it out...#ALLLIVESMATTER


REALLY"

Accident, Selct fire weapon, 3 round burst......
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2016, 11:27:23 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on July 21, 2016, 10:55:13 AM
Stolen from post comments...

"Standard police excuses that will be used...

resisting arrest...cant use that one

had a weapon...cant use that one

threatening act...cant use that one

aggressive move toward officer...cant use that one

failure to comply...cant use that one

violent criminal.... cant use that one

broken tail light ...cant use that one

acting suspiciously...cant use that one

fit the description of a suspect ...cant use that one

Wow what are we going to say ????



Hmmmm...oh I got it...it was an accident...wait ...no....gun was fired thee times...dang it

ok... figured it out...#ALLLIVESMATTER


REALLY"

"Lengthy standoffs expose Cops to potential threats by BLM and other Cop haters unnecessarily.  Ending the standoff as quickly as possible saved officers' lives by reducing the amount of time police would be targets for snipers and angry mobs.  For all we know, the two could have been 'bait' for an ambush!"
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zippz

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2016, 11:46:05 AM »
This is a strange one, I'd vote negligent discharge but hard to do that with 3 shots.  The vast majority of police officers only have semi-auto while select-fire is usually given to their special teams.  Possible a swat guy did it and it would really have to be negligent since the rifle should be on safe and select-fire is usually on the other side of the safety lever.

Would be difficult to be a miss if it was a swat guy firing.  Handgun I could see missing.  And at that range and circumstance you'd be firing in semi-auto mode, not select fire.

My guess is it was just one shot fired and guy thought it was 3.  Whatever the case, the officer and department is screwed unless there's something big that we're not seeing.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2016, 12:25:17 PM »
Hawaii News Now FB headline for this story:  A new video of a police shooting in Miami is spurring widespread outrage.

I believe the "outrage" would be limited to "demand for answers":: if not for the media & social media.
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Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Aegis808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2016, 12:26:28 PM »
Cop shouldn't have even had his weapon off safe.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2016, 01:33:46 PM »
Quote from: Aegis808 on July 21, 2016, 12:26:28 PM
Cop shouldn't have even had his weapon off safe.

I disagree.  He should have had it off safety if his sights were on target.  Since he hit the guy on the ground, I assume he was already in that mode.

I was trained to disengage the safety once you begin to acquire the target in your sights.  Safety goes on after your firearm is at the ready or about to be holstered (handgun obviously).

Reason is, if you suddenly need to fire, most people will try pulling the trigger before remembering the safety is on.  That's a delay that could cost a good guy his life -- maybe even you.

  His finger being on the trigger is another thing entirely.
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Aegis808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2016, 02:09:41 PM »
there was zero indication of any reason to use deadly force in this environment. He shouldn't even have a weapon bearing down on anyone in this.
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Aegis808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2016, 02:11:21 PM »
Don't bother trying to rationalize this poor decision process, if this were anyone besides a cop doing this they would be in jail and the majority of the 2A community would condemn the shooter for it.
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London808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2016, 02:21:35 PM »
Quote from: Aegis808 on July 21, 2016, 02:09:41 PM
there was zero indication of any reason to use deadly force in this environment. He shouldn't even have a weapon bearing down on anyone in this.

They got a call for man with weapon......
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2016, 02:22:13 PM »
Quote from: Aegis808 on July 21, 2016, 02:11:21 PM
Don't bother trying to rationalize this poor decision process, if this were anyone besides a cop doing this they would be in jail and the majority of the 2A community would condemn the shooter for it.


Once again, let's wait and find out what really happened.  There is a video with a significant pause in  the middle and no explanation about what caused that.  Is that where the autistic person jumped up and the therapist lunged to pull him back down? 

Wait, be patient, and hold off judgment until then.  Otherwise, you are being as quick to judge others in the same way you accuse them of judging you, the public.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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London808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2016, 02:28:44 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2016, 12:25:17 PM
Hawaii News Now FB headline for this story:  A new video of a police shooting in Miami is spurring widespread outrage.

I believe the "outrage" would be limited to "demand for answers":: if not for the media & social media.

If the guy shot was white would we even be hearing this as new
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Aegis808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2016, 02:38:30 PM »
Quote from: London808 on July 21, 2016, 02:21:35 PM
They got a call for man with weapon......

and instead found two people, one with arms empty and in the air and one "armed" with a toy truck.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2016, 02:41:40 PM »
Quote from: London808 on July 21, 2016, 02:28:44 PM
If the guy shot was white would we even be hearing this as new

Good example of  a rhetorical question!

As Sheriff Clarke says, Obama is NOT the President of all the people -- only of "his people".  And the media does everything they can to support Obama and his message.

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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zippz

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2016, 02:42:35 PM »
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Aegis808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2016, 02:46:05 PM »
Quote from: zippz on July 21, 2016, 02:42:35 PM
The truth emerges.  He hit the wrong guy.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/07/21/north-miami-police-shooting-accidental-union-says/87414898/

Hitting the wrong person and then claiming to be aiming for the guy with a toy truck instead is just as egregious.
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London808

Re: "Why they shot the black boy and not the fat boy?"
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2016, 03:23:12 PM »
Quote from: Aegis808 on July 21, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
and instead found two people, one with arms empty and in the air and one "armed" with a toy truck.

Yep and so they treat them both as suspects until they work out whats going on,
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