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In your opinion unlikely... Ok you are entitled to that.  It's just not in my nature to hope for the lesser of two evils I'd rather hope for what I think could be the most ideal.

My opinion is based on data and polls, as well as political history.

I'm still wondering what your opinion is based on.  If it's "hope", I think these last 8 years have proven that to be a poor basis for presidential selection.

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I dont think hes a bad choice, I would love to have him over the other 2 candidates, Although i dont like his stance on immigration (Let them in legally so they dont have to come in illegally).
He is running on the same lines as Ted Cruise and Paul Rand both of whom i think would be better then the current 2 candidates.
That being said This guy stands no chance of winning, Not because of his policy's but because he does not have the backing of the media and the partys which have a tight hold on the system.

Your opinion is Johnson got no chance.  My opinion is Johnson would make the best president there for I hope he gets elected.  I don't think much else has been layed out there.  Let me know if there's anything else you wonder.

Edit : unless you are still wondering about the pie thing in which case, no, I don't want any pie.

My opinion is, if Johnson were truly a viable candidate, we'd hear about him more often than once every four years when he runs for President.  What has he added to his resume since then?  From what I've read, he advocates for legalized marijuana, sits on a couple of nonprofit organizations, and does a few online question/answer sessions with the public.

When he was NM Governor between 1995-2003, he won election as a Republican.  He became Libertarian in 2011.  That's when he declared he was running for President "as a Republican but on a Libertarian platform."  Even then, he didn't get enough support to participate in the majority of Republican debates.  After that, and with poor showings in his campaigning, he switched parties to become a Libertarian Party candidate.  He received 0.99% of the popular vote in 2012.

Maybe you're right.  With that kind of performance record, he cant't help but do better this year!!   

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More pie references.....
You like cherry pie and you are highly allergic to chocolate.  You are literally starving and will die if you dont eat something.  There are only 2 choices for food to eat.
Your choices of pies that are available are chocolate (hillary) and strawberry(trump).
Now there is a cherry pie that is available to be baked (johnson) but it will never be ready for any time frame which you desire. In fact there are no cherries in the entire world and there will never be a chance there will ever be cherries in the entire world for many decades.

What do you do?  Do you wish upon the cherry pie and die?  Do you suck it up and eat the strawberry pie.  Or do you kill yourself with the chocolate pie. 


On a side non pie note:  Johnson is sorta anti gun bro...thats bad.  I remember when he literally threw away a gun gift.  And I think his vice president was anti gun if i remember correctly. 

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I'd agree with this.  This state has no say in it, and if the popular vote said so, they would probably vote otherwise anyway, because that is how they roll.

I'm not voting for Johnson, but the fact of the matter is Hawaii vote for president doesn't matter.

Are you going to vote for a 3rd party candidate though? (As far as the Presidential race)

SCOTUS is the real reason to vote for Trump.  If Trump turns out to be a turkey, it will be so easy to
impeach him,  It would be laughable.

In all my genius (sarcasm) I had not thought that angle. That might actually be an angle I could vote for Trump! Vote for Trump assuming that he will be impeached and we will get Pence. Either that or Trump gets assassinated.

Until both major parties are in total disarray and one nominee completely incapable of turning out a decisive victory over the other, only then will a 3rd party have a chance.  As I said, Perot had the best chance.  Polling put the 3 parties at roughly 1/3 chance of winning.  Johnson is about 3%-10%. 

Something like 70% of America hates Trump and 60% of America hates Clinton. (rough estimate, not sure of most current polls)

That is a significant number of people who are strongly averted from the two major choices. I think this is about the best chance a 3rd party candidate can get right now, short of Clinton or Trump being arrested or dying. Carpe Diem.

Johnson's accomplishments may not be amazing but perhaps his lack skeletons is an accomplishment compared to Clinton and Trump. What has Clinton accomplished? Scandals, lies, cover ups, risking sensitive information. What has Trump accomplished? Lies, scandals, bankruptcy, lawsuits, etc.

Something like 70% of America hates Trump and 60% of America hates Clinton. (rough estimate, not sure of most current polls)

That is a significant number of people who are strongly averted from the two major choices. I think this is about the best chance a 3rd party candidate can get right now, short of Clinton or Trump being arrested or dying. Carpe Diem.

Johnson's accomplishments may not be amazing but perhaps his lack skeletons is an accomplishment compared to Clinton and Trump. What has Clinton accomplished? Scandals, lies, cover ups, risking sensitive information. What has Trump accomplished? Lies, scandals, bankruptcy, lawsuits, etc.

You keep ignoring one little detail I keep posting:  The Libertarian Party Has Very Little Money!!!!   Perot was a BILLIONAIRE, and he self-funded his campaign with matching funds from the government (that box people check on their tax returns to donate to that fund).

So, if the media won't give them free publicity (like they have for Trump so far), there is no way they can compete in a few short months.  If they don't have the funds by now, it ain't happening.

You keep ignoring one little detail I keep posting:  The Libertarian Party Has Very Little Money!!!!   Perot was a BILLIONAIRE, and he self-funded his campaign with matching funds from the government (that box people check on their tax returns to donate to that fund).

So, if the media won't give them free publicity (like they have for Trump so far), there is no way they can compete in a few short months.  If they don't have the funds by now, it ain't happening.

I am not saying he has great odds, I just think that these are probably the best odds a libertarian has ever seen.

The optimist in my still has his fingers crossed.

There are enough rabid anti Trump people that it really wouldn't surprise me if he got assassinated. Not sure what the rules are if a candidate dies or becomes ineligible mid race though. I assume the RNC would just vote to pick a new candidate so maybe the door for Johnson wouldn't be that big?

I am not saying he has great odds, I just think that these are probably the best odds a libertarian has ever seen.

The optimist in my still has his fingers crossed.

There are enough rabid anti Trump people that it really wouldn't surprise me if he got assassinated. Not sure what the rules are if a candidate dies or becomes ineligible mid race though. I assume the RNC would just vote to pick a new candidate so maybe the door for Johnson wouldn't be that big?

Even with those "odds"  its wont happen.  In polls he is topping out at 10%  which is a complete nothing burger.  Hell I have better odds at winning the mega lotto then  him winning the presidential election. 

To be frank, there are people who vote in this country who have NO IDEA who the people are on the ballot, and that includes President and VP nominees.

They vote party lines.  Always have, just like their parents taught them to.  If they had to pick a name instead of their party affiliation, they would not know what to do with that ballot!

So, even if Hillary is forced to step down and do the "perp walk" or Trump gets bumped off, there are a great many who will vote a straight party ticket to prevent the other party from winning.

There are people voting in this election who cannot tell you who the current VP, Secretary of State and majority party leaders in Congress are.  That's why asking for ID is considered disenfranchising those voters!  They can't be expected to remember to bring their ID to the polling places.

Even with those "odds"  its wont happen.  In polls he is topping out at 10%  which is a complete nothing burger.  Hell I have better odds at winning the mega lotto then  him winning the presidential election.

5% more and he could make it to the presidential debates. With Trump digging himself deeper and deeper I only see Johnson's chances improving.

To be frank, there are people who vote in this country who have NO IDEA who the people are on the ballot, and that includes President and VP nominees.

They vote party lines.  Always have, just like their parents taught them to.  If they had to pick a name instead of their party affiliation, they would not know what to do with that ballot!

So, even if Hillary is forced to step down and do the "perp walk" or Trump gets bumped off, there are a great many who will vote a straight party ticket to prevent the other party from winning.

There are people voting in this election who cannot tell you who the current VP, Secretary of State and majority party leaders in Congress are.  That's why asking for ID is considered disenfranchising those voters!  They can't be expected to remember to bring their ID to the polling places.

I had a "friend" in college who said she just voted whoever had the Japanese last name. (she was Japanese)

I guess we get the government we deserve not the one we want.

I think Trump's unpopularity is a farce.  Online polls on one of the webs most leftist controlled webpages, MSN, consistently shows 60% or better support for Trump being elected president.  People are pissed at the status quo, and are ready to break from the norm.

Of course the complicit media will never report this, and continue to step up the propaganda.

There can always be more and more blatant voter fraud perpetrated.  Look for it.

JMHO

I think Trump's unpopularity is a farce.  Online polls on one of the webs most leftist controlled webpages, MSN, consistently shows 60% or better support for Trump being elected president.  People are pissed at the status quo, and are ready to break from the norm.

Of course the complicit media will never report this, and continue to step up the propaganda.

There can always be more and more blatant voter fraud perpetrated.  Look for it.

JMHO

I believe a lot of the Trump hate is real, just also that parts (or most) of the MSM exaggerates it, spins it, etc. 

That said, there really don't seem to be many who actually like/favor Hillary for Hillary.  Most that I come across are either "never Trump" types or those Sanders supporters that will stick with that side of the aisle. 

Voter fraud?  I recall that subject coming up in 2008 and again in 2012.  I'd be interested in more information on that end, but never know what source to trust. 

On the subject of voters knowing who/what they are voting for.  I know MANY who voted for Obama or Schatz just because of ties to Punahou.  Many who will vote for a [insert race] name because they are [insert race].  I try to be informed and to be honest, many times I end up not voting in many sections.  That's when I learned more about the "non-votes" being counted as "NO" for many of the ballot initiatives.  Have tried to keep up better after that.