Trump and the second amendment (Read 37337 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2016, 03:20:42 AM »
As for his comment, as was pointed out earlier, it is a matter of interpretation.  Sorry, I can't find anything on trump supporters assaulting people, maybe verbally?  My google foo is weak. I would think I would get 1,000,000 hits on that topic.

The most egregious instance I recall is a protestor who is walking up some stairs, being led out of a stadium by a police officer. As the protestor is walking up the stairs someone in the aisle stands up and clocks him without provocation. Unfortunately for the whole picture, the protestor is black and the assailant is white. I will try to find the specific video.

Q

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2016, 03:32:45 AM »
The most egregious instance I recall is a protestor who is walking up some stairs, being led out of a stadium by a police officer. As the protestor is walking up the stairs someone in the aisle stands up and clocks him without provocation. Unfortunately for the whole picture, the protestor is black and the assailant is white. I will try to find the specific video.

Wonder how many Trump supporters were destroying Milwaukee  this past weekend

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2016, 03:46:51 AM »
Wonder how many Trump supporters were destroying Milwaukee  this past weekend

Absolutely zero I am sure, but not really relevant.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2016, 08:51:01 AM »
Absolutely zero I am sure, but not really relevant.

It's completely relevant.  You just don't want to accept the connection.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Surf

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2016, 11:08:23 AM »
Liberals occupy, riot, verbally and physically intimidate, threaten violence, resort to violence, attempt to silence free speach of any who have opposing views.

Conservatives attempt to affect change via lobbying through non violent, open dialogue and a widely accepted political process.

The differences in approach are glaring.

Jl808

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2016, 05:58:37 PM »
Liberals occupy, riot, verbally and physically intimidate, threaten violence, resort to violence, attempt to silence free speach of any who have opposing views.

Conservatives attempt to affect change via lobbying through non violent, open dialogue and a widely accepted political process.

The differences in approach are glaring.

^^ THIS...

Thank you Surf.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2016, 06:59:34 PM »
It's completely relevant.  You just don't want to accept the connection.

A bunch of violent democrats doesn't disprove my comment that it only takes one rabid Trump follower to "interpret" his message as suggestion to assassinate Clinton.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2016, 07:02:15 PM »
The most egregious instance I recall is a protestor who is walking up some stairs, being led out of a stadium by a police officer. As the protestor is walking up the stairs someone in the aisle stands up and clocks him without provocation. Unfortunately for the whole picture, the protestor is black and the assailant is white. I will try to find the specific video.

Here is the video to which I was referring to. I think in a later news story the cowboy hat wearing guy ended up being arrested.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2016, 07:25:40 PM »
Here is the video to which I was referring to. I think in a later news story the cowboy hat wearing guy ended up being arrested.


Even if Trump paid someone to beat up protesters, it's still the person's choice and consequences to bear.  Unless Trump's camp held his kids hostage or held a gun to his wife's head, no one was using force. 

Everyone uses metaphors and other phrases that are meant to express an idea, but sane people know the difference between hyperbole and explicit calls to violence.

If you don't believe that, then the Cops who caught Son of Sam should have also arrested the neighbor's dog for telling him to kill.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2016, 07:36:42 PM »
Even if Trump paid someone to beat up protesters, it's still the person's choice and consequences to bear.  Unless Trump's camp held his kids hostage or held a gun to his wife's head, no one was using force. 

Everyone uses metaphors and other phrases that are meant to express an idea, but sane people know the difference between hyperbole and explicit calls to violence.

If you don't believe that, then the Cops who caught Son of Sam should have also arrested the neighbor's dog for telling him to kill.

Yes that man hit the protestor of his own volition, I am not saying he acted on Trump's order. I am saying that there are violent Trump followers.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2016, 07:49:25 PM »
Yes that man hit the protestor of his own volition, I am not saying he acted on Trump's order. I am saying that there are violent Trump followers.

And most mass shooters are Hillary and Obama followers.

Do you have a point, or just saying stuff for no reason?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2016, 08:52:29 PM »
And most mass shooters are Hillary and Obama followers.

Do you have a point, or just saying stuff for no reason?

I made my point some time ago. I hesitate to make it again or you might accuse me of repeating myself.

This has nothing to do with mass shooters. If Trump had made a comment suggesting riot then I would agree that we don't have much to worry about.

This has to do with Trump's stupid comment that could suggest, inspire, imply, etc. someone to assassinate Clinton.

Surf

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2016, 09:07:38 PM »
I think this thread has pretty much "jumped the shark" when we start trying to come up with comparatives of liberal or conservative violence.  We have to dig to come up with a lone or rare incident where the conservative or Trump backer starts shit.  But we could make a thread with pages upon pages of atrocities backed by liberals, socialists or anarchists and I can't find much separation between the last 3 groups. 

Anyone with a shred of training in crowd management and/or riot control will be easily able to explain the political stance, motivations, ideals or political party bias and support behind these looting, pillaging and plundering violent events.  Rioting conservatives?  Nope. 

Jl808

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2016, 09:45:42 PM »
This has to do with Trump's stupid comment that could suggest, inspire, imply, etc. someone to assassinate Clinton.

As the video shows, it does not.  Unless you have something new to add, please stop repeating yourself.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2016, 10:01:48 PM »
As the video shows, it does not.  Unless you have something new to add, please stop repeating yourself.

You can say that again!     :thumbsup:   :worship:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2016, 11:14:53 PM »
I think this thread has pretty much "jumped the shark" when we start trying to come up with comparatives of liberal or conservative violence.  We have to dig to come up with a lone or rare incident where the conservative or Trump backer starts shit.  But we could make a thread with pages upon pages of atrocities backed by liberals, socialists or anarchists and I can't find much separation between the last 3 groups. 

Anyone with a shred of training in crowd management and/or riot control will be easily able to explain the political stance, motivations, ideals or political party bias and support behind these looting, pillaging and plundering violent events.  Rioting conservatives?  Nope.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2016, 08:42:13 AM »
As the video shows, it does not.  Unless you have something new to add, please stop repeating yourself.
Aw, come on, he is being paid to................

Jl808

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2016, 10:42:46 AM »
Guys, let's not bicker. As someone pointed out, we are our own worst enemy.

If we keep tearing each other down with our comments, that doesn't do our 2a tribe any good long term.
I think, therefore I am armed.
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The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2016, 10:50:43 AM »
Guys, let's not bicker. As someone pointed out, we are our own worst enemy.

If we keep tearing each other down with our comments, that doesn't do our 2a tribe any good long term.

No one learns or grows if we all filter our comments and give each other participation trophies.

There have already been more than a few complaints and warnings about the primary instigator here.  If those haven't worked by now, more pleading isn't going to fix it.

Just my 2 cents.  Do whatever you think is fair for the whole group.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Trump and the second amendment
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2016, 11:00:57 AM »
Things that I don't like from both sides of any issue are sensationalism, jumping to conclusions before knowing the facts, and generalizing the majority for the actions of the few.  Relating to the Trump speech, a lot of people and the media jumped to the conclusion of Trump making violent threats to Clinton before getting all of the facts and asking him to clarify what he meant.  It turned out to be a ambiguous statement and both sides still blew up a non-issue.  The Trump supporter that sucker punched the protestor was one of the few that doesn't represent the views of the majority.  Same with BLM, majority are peaceful but the handful of violent ones and those not part of BLM get on the news.