Handgun Recommendations (Read 39886 times)

kala201

Handgun Recommendations
« on: January 02, 2012, 06:46:35 PM »
Ok so one of my resolutions was to finally breakdown and by a handgun.  My SO loves to shoot but most often I'm too lazy dig out the rifles and the target stand.  So I figured it was time to buy a pistol so we could go to the steel plates side with it and my M&P 15-22.  She shot a CZ that she really liked but I was looking for something more along the lines of a striker fire type of gun.  We went down to OGC and she handled a couple of S&W she said felt comfortable in her hand.  Read lots on the internet about the SD9 and the M&P series but was interested in hearing about what your guys wives or girlfriends shoot.  I'm leaning towards the 92FS SwissK has for sale in the classifieds section because of the price and the battlefield testedness (is that a word?) of that gun.  It doesn't fit the striker fire design I wanted but I'm not set on that being the only way.  I'm open to suggestions.  The only criteria I have right now is fits her hand well and is chambered in 9mm.  The other thing I don't much care for in terms of design is that rear safety on guns like the Kimbers and XD's where you have to have a complete solid grip to for the gun to fire.  Any suggestions?

Pit808

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2012, 07:10:51 PM »
92's are pretty big in the grip if im not mistaken.  Not sure how big your wife's hands are, but the m&p 9 with small insert (every display will have the Med inserts on it 99.99% of the time) is unbeatable for a full size pistol IMHO.  Hold a m&p with small insert and I almost guarantee your search is over.  As long as she can rack the slide that is. My m&p is easier to rack than the g19 it replaced (she had a hard time with the g19).  My wife likes the m&p best, followed by a j frame and cz 82 tied for 2nd.  9mils she has shot were G19, M&P, 1911 govt.
 :shaka:
« Last Edit: January 02, 2012, 07:23:33 PM by Pit808 »
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crazyazzmofo

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2012, 07:20:37 PM »
i was thinking a s&w m&p or a glock 26 or 19 for my "old lady"...she has small hands...she likes my sig but too powerful at .40 for her... :shaka:

kong

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 07:53:10 PM »
If she likes the CZ why not get it for her?  It is what she is more comfortable shooting than what you want in my opinion.  One of the IDPA guys I used to shoot with had a CZ.  He was an older gent and a hell of a shot with the CZ.  Also, if you live in a pro-gun state that allows regular capacity magazines, I believe the mag capacity for a 9mm CZ is 17 rounds with it being pretty ergonomic.  Best bet is to go to a LIFE course or find a bunch of buddies that have a few handguns and try theirs out.  I am hoping next HDF range day to make it out and you/her can a few of my pistolas.

Oh also not a big fan of subcompacts G26 since the grip is shortened but the circumference is similar to all the G19/G17 family (hence magazine interchangeability), the sight radius is shortened (whats easier to shoot rifle or pistol?) and manipulation is a bit more difficult.  I believe also, ITTS trainer Scott Reitz wrote an article about full size thru subcompact sized pistols, just forgot what date it was.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2012, 07:59:44 PM by kong »

bass monkey

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2012, 08:13:54 PM »
I have a xd9mm 4" barrel.  Its a nice gun.  Easy and fun to shoot.  Pretty smooth.  Went and shot it today with one of my friends.  She says she likes it too, smoother and feels better then her sig 40sw.
Overall its a nice gun.  And that rear saftey thing you talking about, not much of a problem and it doesnt get in the way.

kala201

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2012, 08:24:12 PM »
Thanks for all your guys input.  We took the LIFE class and the one offered at Magnum, that one was a big let down.   She's shot a lot of different handguns.  She really doesn't like Sigs.  The thing I'm worried about is in a panic or stressful situation is her ability to manipulate the gun.  Right now she has a bad habbit of adjusting the gun in her hand to get the perfect grip like she learned in class.  I told her it just has to be grab and go. 

Yeah the 92fs is a big frame but in the classes she shot it and liked it.  Part of it is the weight.  In the LIFE class the female instructor and her hit it off and she learned a lot.  For a very small girl you guys should watch my girl shoot a .357 mag.  Everytime I watch her I have to pick my jaw up off the ground, talk about solid recoil management.

The M&P just might be the way to go.  But still looking for input. 

Mahalos

sirkaiks

Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2012, 08:27:32 PM »
someone gotta buy the s&w bodyguard .380. supposed to be thin and tailored for women. i noticed that females like the sig 229 9mm cause it doesnt have too much kick.

vooduchikn

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2012, 08:27:42 PM »
Thanks for all your guys input.  We took the LIFE class and the one offered at Magnum, that one was a big let down.   She's shot a lot of different handguns.  She really doesn't like Sigs.  The thing I'm worried about is in a panic or stressful situation is her ability to manipulate the gun.  Right now she has a bad habbit of adjusting the gun in her hand to get the perfect grip like she learned in class.  I told her it just has to be grab and go. 

Yeah the 92fs is a big frame but in the classes she shot it and liked it.  Part of it is the weight.  In the LIFE class the female instructor and her hit it off and she learned a lot.  For a very small girl you guys should watch my girl shoot a .357 mag.  Everytime I watch her I have to pick my jaw up off the ground, talk about solid recoil management.

The M&P just might be the way to go.  But still looking for input. 

Mahalos

Get here a wheel gun. Wife had same concerns....likes to shoot semi autos, but concerned about something not going right when/if it goes down. Got her a ruger LCR in .357mag, pretty mindless.  No safety, double action (good trigger I might add), no hammer to snag on anything, good ergonomics. Loaded it up with .38 special +P speer gold dots. Getting her some speed loaders and will work her up to .357 mag later.
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MantisClaw

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2012, 08:35:56 PM »
My girlfriend has a preference for revolvers but that's mainly due to similar issues with racking slides.  She can lock them back but that takes time and her method wouldn't be viable should she need to clear a malfunction under stress.

kong

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2012, 08:57:10 PM »
Found the article though it relates more to off-duty carry/CCW.  Also, revolvers are great for women and anyone not investing a substantial time in training.  If one cylinder doesn't go bang pull the trigger again until you have had 5-7 trigger pulls then reload.

"Off Duty Carry by Scott Reitz

 I spent thirty years on LAPD. Over twenty six of those were in Metropolitan Division and ten of those were in SWAT. I ran in service classes for divisions and specialized units throughout the department during my last fifteen years or so on the department. Thirty years of being intimately involved in the teaching and application and subsequent defense of deadly force issues, teaches one many lessons. The subject of off duty carry is often disregarded to the detriment of many who have found themselves in such critical situations.
    There have been many off duty deadly force encounters that I am aware of. Very few of these entailed the proverbial, ‘White Knight’ riding to the rescue. Most of the encounters have been self defense in nature. They have been officers who have found it necessary to defend either themselves or their immediate family. Few of these encounters afforded the officer any other option other than deadly force when reviewed from a reasonable perspective.

This fact alone, should raise the question of just why and how an officer should carry off duty. There have been officers that I am aware of who do not carry weapons in an off duty status. This is entirely a personal choice that one may regret.  Their response when queried as to why they don’t carry off duty is that, ‘they aren’t looking for trouble.”  Neither is any sane individual but most officers that find themselves in critical situations never envisioned that they would be there in the first place and almost all of these encounters are as a direct result of the suspect’s actions not theirs! These are officers who are going about their lives and suddenly find themselves confronted by the unpredictability of life.

We have had officers who have had to run to save their lives from knife wielding suspects, Officers forced to the prone in banks with guns to their heads who were completely at the suspect’s mercy etc. None of these are very heartening experiences. The decision to carry should be weighed with the simple fact in mind that life and all that comes with it is unpredictable and that deadly force can come at you from any corner at any moment. This does not mean by the way, that the Officer is paranoid or seeking out such encounters but rather that he is aware that this can occur and he may want to comport himself accordingly.  Officers frequently carry much smaller side arms off duty than they would on while on duty. This comes at a price. Those of you that have been through my training are familiar with the realistic drills and targets that we present during these evolutions.

Moving targets, partial targets, low level light scenarios, speed reloads, malfunction clearances etc. are all thrown at you at a realistic pace and within a realistic framework. Imagine trying to accomplish the same result that you are pushed with when using your standard side arm but now you are using a two inch, five shot revolver or a very compressed semi-automatic and is no longer a drill but a very real life and death encounter. It would be that much harder to accomplish and you may have not have even considered the following. Traditionally, Officers train much more with the standard fire arm than they ever will with the smaller off duty carry pistol. As a point of fact, I would imagine that Officers probably will put less than 200 rounds through these smaller pistols during their entire career and almost none of these rounds will be fired in realistic training scenarios. Smaller pistols are harder to control, harder to manipulate and have a shorter sight radius that lends to more potential error in sight alignment by the shooter.


Consider the following. If you are off duty you have no body armor, no shotgun, no rifle, no communication, and no police vehicle with ballistic side panels, no immediate access to air support and no partner.  In point of fact those with you may be more of a tactical detriment than an asset. If there was any time when you needed a pistol that you are intimately familiar with, that you have shot extensively and ultimately depend on for its unfailing reliability this is it!  This would not be the time to sport a two inch five shot that you have trouble attaining hits with at seven yards. The mid sized pistols that are just a step below full size would be the best compromise if that is your choice. Personally, I carry a full sized pistol that I know works when I want it to, that is accurate and dependable and one that I have practiced with through the years.   There is nothing that I have to adapt to on the spur of the moment. I know the pistol and what I can accomplish with it and that is security enough. In all my years I was never involved in a single off duty incident.   That doesn’t mean that it can’t happen tomorrow though. Trying to guess when or where, or if it will come, is a fairly difficult proposition.  Murphy’s Law seems to be prevalent in most off duty situations.   When I ask Officers who were involved in such shootings whether they expected it, the overwhelming majority responded “no”.
   

Since we have had shootings in churches, in driveways, on the beach, on family trips, in their neighbor’s yards etc. this is not an altogether unrealistic response. One simply doesn’t know what life may throw at you. Whether you choose to carry off duty and if you do, what you choose to carry may very well mean the difference of living to enjoy all that you have sought to accomplish.
Note: I’d be interested to know how many of you carry off duty.  Please send me your comments & thoughts."

Pit808

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2012, 08:59:17 PM »
Speaking of revo's, my night stand gun is a S&W 640-1 .357mag with crimson trace grips.  Went with this as the nightstand gun for the reasons mentioned above.  My wife doesn't shoot as much as I'd like, so I tried to make it as easy as possible.  Put the red dot on the target and let her rip  :thumbsup:
For recreational shooting the 4" M&P is alot easier for her to shoot.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2012, 09:05:22 PM by Pit808 »
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kala201

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2012, 09:03:45 PM »
Get here a wheel gun. Wife had same concerns....likes to shoot semi autos, but concerned about something not going right when/if it goes down. Got her a ruger LCR in .357mag, pretty mindless.  No safety, double action (good trigger I might add), no hammer to snag on anything, good ergonomics. Loaded it up with .38 special +P speer gold dots. Getting her some speed loaders and will work her up to .357 mag later.

Voodu-

That might be worth looking into.  We didn't want a compact, because Hawaii doesn't yet and may never freely allow conceal carry.  And knockdown factor is a concern too.  I work construction and see a lot of guys strung out on various things and so I really worry about my girlfriend.  Our dogs will do anything to protect us, but against an assailant high on drugs and armed with a knife they are only likely to slow him down long enough so she can get to the gun.  The .38 +P is supposed to be a good self defense round.  She wanted a semi-auto because that's what a friend of ours told her is best.  But like you guys said a wheel gun maybe the way to go.

I wish I had more money to buy two or three different guns and then sell off the ones that didn't work for her.  After talking to Daniel at KGS we may do his handgun safety class to try out his HK's and a few others.  Last time I talked to him he said he had an FN 5-7 he was going to test and review.  That's my good friend from Alaska's daily carry and what he swears by.  Hopefully I can get some trigger time on that bad boy if we do take his class.  If my gf's hands weren't so small, that is what I would buy because it's easy to shoot due to the small amount of kick.  The only problem is the grip is so big because the 5-7 round is actually a small rifle round.

As to that rear safety thing on the XD's I its guess more of a personal preference and frame of mind thing.  If for some reason my girlfriend or even myself are ever in an awkward postition, like for example pinned on the bed or ground in an attempeted rape where she can't get the needed grip but can still pull the trigger without injuring herself... you can see where I'm going.  The operator needs to be the one responsible for safe gun handling.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2012, 09:16:54 PM by kala201 »

Jl808

Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2012, 09:06:49 PM »
I had the same question when I recently got my first handgun for me and my SO.  First 9mm is a good choice due to lower cost of ammo (practice more) and lower recoil for the lady.

I had ruled out all SIGs because my SO and I disliked the grip, ruled out all revolvers because I wanted magazines, and (for no reason whatsoever) had not really looked into the S&W M&P.  After much research and a couple of visits to gun shops, I was deciding between the following 9mms:

1. Glock 17
- $500+ range
- good price, simple to use, simple to clean

2. Springfield XD9
- $500+ range
- good price, simple to use, simple to clean

3. HK P2000
- $800+ range
- very quality feel and felt really good

I had really wanted to like the HK but couldn't be sure whether it was going to be worth the extra $300.  It was really nice to hold except that it felt like it had a really long trigger pull.

I heard good things about the CZ75s but did not have any shop to test-hold one locally. 

To stick to my budget, I ended up with the XD9 which is in the same category as the Glock.  There are a lot of folks that really like Glocks but Springfield had a special at the time where the XD came with nightsights and 5 magazines (instead of he normal 2).  Oh yeah, the Glock has crappy plastic sights which should probably be replaced as soon as possible. 

Money saved went to buy extra ammo and save up for the next purchase.
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Kingkeoni

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2012, 09:18:30 PM »
Get here a wheel gun. Wife had same concerns....likes to shoot semi autos, but concerned about something not going right when/if it goes down. Got her a ruger LCR in .357mag, pretty mindless.  No safety, double action (good trigger I might add), no hammer to snag on anything, good ergonomics. Loaded it up with .38 special +P speer gold dots. Getting her some speed loaders and will work her up to .357 mag later.

Voodu-

That might be worth looking into.  We didn't want a compact, because Hawaii doesn't yet and may never freely allow conceal carry.  And knockdown factor is a concern too.  I work construction and see a lot of guys strung out on various things and so I really worry about my girlfriend.  Our dogs will do anything to protect us, but against an assailant high on drugs and armed with a knife they are only likely to slow him down long enough so she can get to the gun.  The .38 +P is supposed to be a good self defense round.  She wanted a semi-auto because that's what a friend of ours told her is best.  But like you guys said a wheel gun maybe the way to go.

I wish I had more money to buy two or three different guns and then sell off the ones that didn't work for her.  After talking to Daniel at KGS we may do his handgun safety class to try out his HK's and a few others.  Last time I talked to him he said he had an FN 5-7 he was going to test and review.  That's my good friend from Alaska's daily carry and what he swears by.  Hopefully I can get some trigger time on that bad boy if we do take his class.  If my gf's hands weren't so small, that is what I would buy because it's easy to shoot due to the small amount of kick.  The only problem is the grip is so big because the 5-7 round is actually a small rifle round.

As to that rear safety thing on the XD's I its guess more of a personal preference and frame of mind thing.  If for some reason my girlfriend or even myself are ever in an awkward postition, like for example pinned on the bed or ground in an attempeted rape where she can't get the needed grip but can still pull the trigger without injuring herself... you can see where I'm going.  The operator needs to be the one responsible for safe gun handling.

That's one of the cool things about Daniels class.
He brings like 20 pistols.
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vooduchikn

Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2012, 09:22:47 PM »


  Oh yeah, the Glock has crappy plastic sights which should probably be replaced as soon as possible. 

nothing wrong with the factory sights imho. They are much tougher than you think.
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myanmar1

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2012, 09:39:25 PM »
FWIW my wife likes her Glock 17, and loves her 1911.
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” — Benjamin Franklin

kala201

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2012, 09:44:28 PM »
I really should start another thread for this but I was wondering how many of you have a full size airsoft replica of your primary handgun?  My neighbor is originally from Washington state where he has his CCW card.  His carry gun is a 92FS.  He has an airsoft version of that gun which he uses to practice drawing from holster, presentation of gun and firing.  He said while you don't get the full 100% experience you do get a the feel of things like "I can't wear that its hard to draw" or "I don't like my holster here, lets try this".  And then you also get the chance to develop muscle memory because the more exepensive ones have all the same controls and lockback after firing the last BB and one can practice keeping track of how many rounds fired when doing tactical reloads.  This maybe something I do too depending which gun we end up getting.

Jl808

Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2012, 10:22:49 PM »
I really should start another thread for this but I was wondering how many of you have a full size airsoft replica of your primary handgun?

Not I but good idea!
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Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2012, 11:00:06 PM »
Also good to consider is a gun that can convert to 22lr.
 I have a Walther P38 9mm with a 22lr conversion and I have my son practice on a 22lr.
It actually helped him in control of the pistol when he goes back to the 9mm rounds.
I would like to get something more modern when I see a good deal !
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Old Guy

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2012, 11:48:20 PM »
About the Beretta 92/96 series.

Just had a range session with a forum member and his wife.  She has smaller hands.

She ended up liking the Full sized Beretta best.  She felt it had the kindest recoil.

Yes, she is aware that the grip is large for her hands, but she said she likes it and she will Learn

to use it effectively.  She likes it, that's really all that matters.  No gun is a perfect fit.

My Wife is in the same situation.  She's shot a lot of different guns. 

Her Favorite is a Beretta 92/96.  She also says, if she likes the gun, she'll learn and adapt to it.

Don't forget, if your SO isn't happy with Her gun, she will Not want to go shooting with you.

If she likes it, then you will have your range buddy.

FYI:  Beretta does have a 22 kit for $369.  It is made in small batches, 35 to 50 every now and then.  Sells out in a couple of days.

Just take off the slide and barrel, replace with the 22 slide/barrel and magazine.   Gives great practice with your 92/96 gun.

Wife liked it so well that I got a used police 92 and made it into a full size 22.