Handgun Recommendations (Read 39923 times)

Jl808

Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2012, 12:13:57 AM »
Huh interesting.... My wife also said she liked shooting the beretta 92.
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crazyazzmofo

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2012, 12:48:31 AM »
i wanted to get the bodyguard .380 for my girl but i hear that for a small gun that it got plenty kick...plus i heard that it malfunctions after so many rounds...im having second thoughts about that one...

Pit808

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2012, 01:08:24 AM »
i wanted to get the bodyguard .380 for my girl but i hear that for a small gun that it got plenty kick...plus i heard that it malfunctions after so many rounds...im having second thoughts about that one...

Hey crazy, If you are looking at 380's I would check out the CZ 83.  Cost about $350 new and is a SOLID DA/SA gun.  I have three CZ 82's (9mm mak version but pretty much identical other than caliber and trigger guard) and they are very nice shooters and fit the hand very well. 

http://www.jgsales.com/cz-83-380acp,-3.8in.-new-p-3885.html
You would just need the 10rd mag instead of the 12 rounders.  JG swapped mags for me on a CZ 82 I got from them. The 82 and 83 use the same mags.

 :shaka:
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Inspector

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2012, 06:30:43 AM »
With my experience with the ladies wanting to get into shooting I found most of them felt more comfy with a revolver. I have taught many a GF and Wife (Have had 3) and a few of my nieces. Only one chose a semi-auto and the one she chose was a Beretta .22. I found that the .38/.357 seems to be the best combo of low recoil and choice of self defense ammo. I found that medium frame or large frame (If they can handle it) seem to be favs of the ladies I dealt with. I found that once they get over being scared of guns and shooting them they will eventually want to get to know semi-autos a little more. The problem is that I found most women don't like dealing with the stiffness of the spring loaded slide. Which is why the revolver seemed to be the fav of the gals I taught. Combine that with ease of cleaning and not having to take the gun apart and the revolver seems to be the choice of those ladies who who are truly interested in getting into shooting. Oh, and revolvers are not prone to misfeeding due to limp wristing or week wrists of some ladies. JMHO
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kala201

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2012, 08:59:12 AM »
Yeah my girlfriend liked the Beretta 92 too.  When we did the handgun safety class over at Magnum that was the one gun she gravitated towards the most especially when we had to practice the double tap.  She said it was easier for her to control and that she was able to get back on target faster.

Ok but her is my concern... (again maybe overthinking) I would like her to be able to fire it one handed if needed.  For example when we have kids if she has to protect and hold our child behind her she will only have one hand on the gun.  Right now a j-frame is starting to look like a winner when it comes to that.

GZire

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2012, 09:10:03 AM »
Get here a wheel gun. Wife had same concerns....likes to shoot semi autos, but concerned about something not going right when/if it goes down. Got her a ruger LCR in .357mag, pretty mindless.  No safety, double action (good trigger I might add), no hammer to snag on anything, good ergonomics. Loaded it up with .38 special +P speer gold dots. Getting her some speed loaders and will work her up to .357 mag later.

Voodu-

That might be worth looking into.  We didn't want a compact, because Hawaii doesn't yet and may never freely allow conceal carry.  And knockdown factor is a concern too.  I work construction and see a lot of guys strung out on various things and so I really worry about my girlfriend.  Our dogs will do anything to protect us, but against an assailant high on drugs and armed with a knife they are only likely to slow him down long enough so she can get to the gun.  The .38 +P is supposed to be a good self defense round.  She wanted a semi-auto because that's what a friend of ours told her is best.  But like you guys said a wheel gun maybe the way to go.

I wish I had more money to buy two or three different guns and then sell off the ones that didn't work for her.  After talking to Daniel at KGS we may do his handgun safety class to try out his HK's and a few others.  Last time I talked to him he said he had an FN 5-7 he was going to test and review.  That's my good friend from Alaska's daily carry and what he swears by.  Hopefully I can get some trigger time on that bad boy if we do take his class.  If my gf's hands weren't so small, that is what I would buy because it's easy to shoot due to the small amount of kick.  The only problem is the grip is so big because the 5-7 round is actually a small rifle round.

As to that rear safety thing on the XD's I its guess more of a personal preference and frame of mind thing.  If for some reason my girlfriend or even myself are ever in an awkward postition, like for example pinned on the bed or ground in an attempted rape where she can't get the needed grip but can still pull the trigger without injuring herself... you can see where I'm going.  The operator needs to be the one responsible for safe gun handling.
Kala - I have pretty small hands/short fingers.  I've been using a Sig P220 in some form or another for a good long while.  I too need to shift my hands on the handle to get a better finger placement on the DA pull.  SA is OK.  So anyhow, I've been looking at different handguns recently as well and finally settled on a full sized 1911 in 45 (single stack) as, believe it or not, the grip is actually pretty small in comparison to other pistols.  I had tried my friend's M&P 45, but I just didn't like how it felt...........both the trigger pull and the snappiness of the recoil. 

My friend still has a M&P 9 mm that he changed the trigger out and changed the recoil spring on too.  It is a completely different gun.  Trigger is much better and the (heavier) recoil spring has tamed down that perceived recoil.  So much so that I'm actually considering buying one (although I do love my 45 acp guns).

With regards to that FN.  I haven't held one in a long time, but I don't think the handle is all that big.  The round if you compare it side by side with other pistol rounds is actually not that large.

The recommendations:
Beretta 92 - nice pistol.  You still need to transition from a DA to a SA pull.  As with all semi autos it's going to take more practice to become proficient as compared to a wheeled gun.  For a beginner I'd opt for a wheeled gun.
S&W M&P 9 - nice pistol.  Very good as you can change the grip panels to accommodate different hand sized.  As with other polymer framed guns you can also shave them down, stipple them, etc.  Very flexible.
Glocks - don't know much about which model is which, but I'm sure there's one out there that would suit her needs.
H&K P30 - nice pistol.  Very pricey compared to the M&P and Glocks.
Springfield XD - don't know much about these at all, but I hate the grip safety in addition to the trigger safety.  I think it's overkill and not in a good way.

Magazine safeties - some pistols out today have magazine safeties.  The gun won't fire without the magazine in.  I think that's foolish for a SD firearm to have.  I strongly suggest whatever you get to make sure that the gun doesn't have this feature.

S&W M&P 340 CT:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765780_-1_757783_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
Pricey, but if you are looking for a SD firearm, then IMHO you should be willing to pay several hundred dollars more.  I'm not advocating this particular model, but more the features it has.  Small grip, Crimson Trace laser, 357 mag allows extended practice with 38 spl and shorter practice with the magnum rounds, internal hammer (no worries about snags).  It's a revolver so as a new shooter won't have to worry about more complex clearance under stress that can happen with a semi auto.  Unlike a semi auto you could actually reliably fire several rounds while still having the firearm in a jacket pocket.  One more thing to think about.........if it will be used for carry, then weight will be a huge concern.  It's not going to be fun to shoot a lightweight, but you probably wouldn't have to do that, but you would need to carry it a lot and that would be a greater factor IMO.


Lots of stuff to think about.  Even more so if you intend for this to be a SD gun for your gal.  If it's a range/plinker, then not so much thought is required.  In any case with most things firearms related it will be a compromise.  Main thing is you are aware of your choices and what they mean when you make your decision.



I really should start another thread for this but I was wondering how many of you have a full size airsoft replica of your primary handgun?  My neighbor is originally from Washington state where he has his CCW card.  His carry gun is a 92FS.  He has an airsoft version of that gun which he uses to practice drawing from holster, presentation of gun and firing.  He said while you don't get the full 100% experience you do get a the feel of things like "I can't wear that its hard to draw" or "I don't like my holster here, lets try this".  And then you also get the chance to develop muscle memory because the more expensive ones have all the same controls and lockback after firing the last BB and one can practice keeping track of how many rounds fired when doing tactical reloads.  This maybe something I do too depending which gun we end up getting.
Your friend makes good sense.  I have an airsoft Sig P226 that I use as my counterpart to my actual Sig P220 Elite primary. I have an airsoft 1911 5" that is the counterpart to my full sized 1911 that I intend to switch over to as my primary this year.  I have a Blackhawk Serpa holster for the Sig as well as a Comptac.  I've got some Raven holsters on order for the 1911's.  I've been lazy and need to work on getting a target set up so I can shoot my airsoft pistols inside my house.

GZire

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2012, 09:12:46 AM »
i wanted to get the bodyguard .380 for my girl but i hear that for a small gun that it got plenty kick...plus i heard that it malfunctions after so many rounds...im having second thoughts about that one...
What kind of malfunctions are you talking about?


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Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2012, 11:55:05 AM »
Back in the day I ran through a ipsc course with a Walther ppk/s .380
And it was very difficult. The kick is a lot harder then some
Mid frame 9mm. I learned why a 380 should only be a
Backup.  You lose a lot of time on re-aiming.

I wonder if they have any open shooting like that
Today?
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Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2012, 12:36:44 PM »
Full size has more weight behind it to mitigate recoil compared to a light weight pistol.  Also, target loads are different from full power sd ammo.  Revolver or pistol you will still need to train and if kids are involved you will need to train with them in a scenario or at the minimum plan out what you will do including calling the police.  There is no right answer to tactics.  The only right answer in a confrontation is that you and your family live through it.

Kingkeoni

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2012, 12:48:15 PM »
Full size has more weight behind it to mitigate recoil compared to a light weight pistol.  Also, target loads are different from full power sd ammo.  Revolver or pistol you will still need to train and if kids are involved you will need to train with them in a scenario or at the minimum plan out what you will do including calling the police.  There is no right answer to tactics.  The only right answer in a confrontation is that you and your family live through it.
:thumbsup:

Definitely plan and practice.
My wife gives me a funny look every time we go through the practice drills but God forbid, if something happens, we will be prepared.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

GZire

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2012, 01:51:56 PM »
Full size has more weight behind it to mitigate recoil compared to a light weight pistol.  Also, target loads are different from full power sd ammo.  Revolver or pistol you will still need to train and if kids are involved you will need to train with them in a scenario or at the minimum plan out what you will do including calling the police.  There is no right answer to tactics.  The only right answer in a confrontation is that you and your family live through it.
:thumbsup:

Definitely plan and practice.
My wife gives me a funny look every time we go through the practice drills but God forbid, if something happens, we will be prepared.

I've always thought that you'd just run into your safe room and wait for the bad guys.  When they hit the hallway you pull a cord dropping your collection of firearms on them crushing them to death and also plugging up entry to the saferoom until the LEO's can arrive on scene to clear the house.

Kingkeoni

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2012, 02:50:23 PM »
Full size has more weight behind it to mitigate recoil compared to a light weight pistol.  Also, target loads are different from full power sd ammo.  Revolver or pistol you will still need to train and if kids are involved you will need to train with them in a scenario or at the minimum plan out what you will do including calling the police.  There is no right answer to tactics.  The only right answer in a confrontation is that you and your family live through it.
:thumbsup:

Definitely plan and practice.
My wife gives me a funny look every time we go through the practice drills but God forbid, if something happens, we will be prepared.

I've always thought that you'd just run into your safe room and wait for the bad guys.  When they hit the hallway you pull a cord dropping your collection of firearms on them crushing them to death and also plugging up entry to the saferoom until the LEO's can arrive on scene to clear the house.
:rofl: :rofl:
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

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crazyazzmofo

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2012, 03:51:34 PM »
i wanted to get the bodyguard .380 for my girl but i hear that for a small gun that it got plenty kick...plus i heard that it malfunctions after so many rounds...im having second thoughts about that one...

Hey crazy, If you are looking at 380's I would check out the CZ 83.  Cost about $350 new and is a SOLID DA/SA gun.  I have three CZ 82's (9mm mak version but pretty much identical other than caliber and trigger guard) and they are very nice shooters and fit the hand very well. 

http://www.jgsales.com/cz-83-380acp,-3.8in.-new-p-3885.html
You would just need the 10rd mag instead of the 12 rounders.  JG swapped mags for me on a CZ 82 I got from them. The 82 and 83 use the same mags.

 :shaka:

hey pit...thanks for the info! i will definitely check it out...i've been looking for a while and it doesn't help that she don't wanna go an look...LOL  :shaka:

i wanted to get the bodyguard .380 for my girl but i hear that for a small gun that it got plenty kick...plus i heard that it malfunctions after so many rounds...im having second thoughts about that one...
What kind of malfunctions are you talking about?




i heard in the earlier versions that after x amount of rounds the hammer was failing to engage on the first pull...it then took sometimes up to 5 pulls before firing...i heard other stories of the trigger not returning after firing...this was the earlier models so with everything the first models always have bugs...i probably will be looking into it more...do a little more research  :shaka:

GZire

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2012, 05:25:28 PM »
^^^Scary friggen stories man.  If they are true then the R&D guys were not doing their job when developing the firearm.

bass monkey

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2012, 07:23:58 PM »
I would have to agree about the sig and their long trigger pull.  My friend has a SigP226 and the trigger is so long.  I think he said its a double trigger.  Could be wrong though.

GZire

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2012, 05:29:02 PM »
I would have to agree about the sig and their long trigger pull.  My friend has a SigP226 and the trigger is so long.  I think he said its a double trigger.  Could be wrong though.

Double action (only)?

Inspector

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2012, 06:47:35 PM »
The standard Sig is a single/double action trigger. Because it is a double action you have a lot of take up before you get to the single action trigger. The advantage to this system is you can use the decocker and lower the hammer on a loaded chamber. So your first shot will be double action and every shot thereafter is single action with a long take up. It takes some getting used to, but is quite safe to carry with a loaded chamber. Plus that single action trigger is so sweet right out of the box.
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crazyazzmofo

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2012, 06:54:31 PM »
The standard Sig is a single/double action trigger. Because it is a double action you have a lot of take up before you get to the single action trigger. The advantage to this system is you can use the decocker and lower the hammer on a loaded chamber. So your first shot will be double action and every shot thereafter is single action with a long take up. It takes some getting used to, but is quite safe to carry with a loaded chamber. Plus that single action trigger is so sweet right out of the box.

i love the single action on my 229...i like to practice with the double action first pull but if anything were to happen i've been practicing loading my weapon and pulling the hammer back to put me straight into single action  :geekdanc:

Inspector

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2012, 07:02:33 PM »
i love the single action on my 229...i like to practice with the double action first pull but if anything were to happen i've been practicing loading my weapon and pulling the hammer back to put me straight into single action  :geekdanc:
I have a 228 and I love the single action on it as well. I also practice with double action then transition to single action. If we ever get CCW here it will be my first choice for carry.
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crazyazzmofo

Re: Handgun Recommendations
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2012, 07:10:58 PM »
i love the single action on my 229...i like to practice with the double action first pull but if anything were to happen i've been practicing loading my weapon and pulling the hammer back to put me straight into single action  :geekdanc:
I have a 228 and I love the single action on it as well. I also practice with double action then transition to single action. If we ever get CCW here it will be my first choice for carry.

yup...if we EVER get CCW...229 by my side...all day everyday!!!