http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/03/9925171-jobless-rate-up-but-crime-down-what-gives

So do you folks think that any of this can be tied to the fact that we (the folks still working) are supporting the deadbeats collecting over 2 years worth of unemployment? 


Second part..........fireworks ban.  Fire Dept says there is no appreciable change in the number of calls from last year.  Hhhmmmm..........so how can there possibly be the illegal activity if they have been banned?  I do not understand..............

Jobless rate up, but crime down: What gives?
By James Eng, msnbc.com

Americans, take solace: While your chances of landing a job these days might not be great, you’re also less likely to be murdered, or robbed or to have your car stolen.

The rate of major crimes in the U.S. continues to drop – even during the recent recession and its aftermath – and crime experts aren’t sure why.

"I am surprised by the overall decline in both violent and property crime during and since the recent recession. I’ve studied crime trends in relation to economic conditions for some time, and the 2008-09 recession is the first time since WW II that crime rates have not risen during a substantial downturn in the economy,” says Richard Rosenfeld, a professor in the Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Missouri-St. Louis and past president of the American Society of Criminology.
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“What’s pushing it down is the mystery meat in the recipe of recent years,” says Franklin Zimring, a criminologist and UC Berkeley law professor who has written several books on crime-related topics.

According to recently released FBI crime statistics, the number of violent crimes -- murder and non-negligent homicide, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault -- reported in the first six months of 2011 declined 6.4 percent compared with the first six months of 2010. The number of property crimes (burglary, larceny-theft and motor vehicle theft) decreased 3.7 percent for the same time frame.

The report is based on information from more than 12,500 law enforcement agencies and shows the continuation of a downward trend in crime that began in 2008.

It’s also part of a broader, longer-term trend: Between 1991 and 2010, the homicide rate fell 51 percent and property crimes dropped 64 percent. Crime rates decreased significantly during the 1990s before flattening out at the start of the new century.

The statistical trend is puzzling and not easily explained.

More offenders were being put behind bars and the U.S. economy boomed in the 1990s, so maybe that had something to do with the decline, Zimring notes. But then, how do you explain the decline in the past three or so years, when incarceration rates have flattened out and the economy has gone to hell?

“By both the left- and right-wing leading indicators we should be in a lot of trouble – except (we’re) not,” Zimring says. “Everything we thought we knew are deeply challenged by events by the last three years.”

Rosenfeld thinks smarter policing has contributed in many places (including New York and Los Angeles). But he says it cannot explain the entire decline, since in most places policing is much the same as it was 10 years ago.

And tougher sentencing isn’t the answer either, since national imprisonment rates are also on the decline, albeit modestly.

“One overlooked economic factor is inflation, or rather the very low levels of inflation during the past few years,” Rosenfeld wrote in an email to msnbc.com. “High rates of inflation are connected with high crime rates, so when inflation drops we should expect corresponding declines in crime, in the first instance property crime.”

They need to come to my quiet hood in Pearl City.  I have lived here for 6 years.  Only last year I got robbed 4 times.  All crack addicts.
Thank god they got evicted 4 months ago.

and the fireworks ban doesn't make sense.  Now they claiming without legal fireworks people are resorting to making thier own.  Uh they always made
thier own.  The state must have lost a lot of $$$ since they lost out on all that 4.5% tax they collect!

Maybe crime rate is down because gun sales are up!!!!!

In regards to fireworks, i heard more gunshots that night then arieals.  Guess thats going to be the new fireworks, in addition to people making their own.

Fire works are banned???    didnt seem like it around my place.  HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

This gives folks more time to drink, smoke, and get nuts, instead of burning their money on semi safe things that go pop.    God only knows that the government can keep all people safe from themselves.


Crime down? I guess.  There does seem to be a popular movement for responsible folks to take self defense and core rights more seriously, but on the other side, extreme liberalism(mental disorder ) seems to be running rampant as well.

Fire works are banned???    didnt seem like it around my place.  HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

On New Year's Eve, it sounded like Baghdad c. 2004; at least over here in the Salt Lake area! 

Although I could be one of those in favor the fireworks ban, I'm not.  We don't really do fireworks at our house - the most was a few morning glories tossed onto the street or sparklers or pop-pops, i.e. kiddie stuff.  My oldest son was always afraid of the loud noise - during his first New Years we ended up huddled with him in our walk-in closet because he couldn't stand the noise and our windows suck at noise attenuation.  We spent the next four New Years in hotel rooms.  This was the first year since 2008 that we've stayed home for New Years, and fortunately our second son (1 yr. old) just slept through the commotion.  I'm still against it because it is punishing the majority for the acts of a few, kind of like how the UK and Australia went with bans on firearms after highly publicised shooting incidents.  And like everyone knows, there are STILL illegal fireworks going off after the ban, just like there are STILL illegal firearms in the UK and Australia.  Further, why permit firecrackers but ban sparklers?? 

Quote from: Heavies on January 04, 2012, 03:19:57 AM

Fire works are banned???    didnt seem like it around my place.  HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

On New Year's Eve, it sounded like Baghdad c. 2004; at least over here in the Salt Lake area!

Sure as hell did. In Mililani, it was pretty quiet most of the night compared to the previous years. Then as midnight approached the neighborhood went nuts. Pretty funny considering LEO families make up 1 out of every 5 homes in this area. Seemed like the higher the pay grade, the better the aerial.   

All in all, the whole ban is ridiculous and only takes the fun from children. No sparklers or fountains? WTF were they thinking? But they allow the permits to make money (offset the cost for firefighters)? Hmmm...How about they stop taking the damn rig to buy lunch or go shopping. Diesel costs $$$ too eh?

The part that sucks is the city made it sound like a total ban and really didn't tell we the people that they were allowing firecrackers only with permits.
Many people were confused. Espescially when you went to Don Q and saw a big pile of crackers and a lot of people were angry because if they had
known they would have gotten the permit and gotten thier fireworks fix for the year.

They need to come to my quiet hood in Pearl City.  I have lived here for 6 years.  Only last year I got robbed 4 times.  All crack addicts.
Thank god they got evicted 4 months ago.

and the fireworks ban doesn't make sense.  Now they claiming without legal fireworks people are resorting to making thier own.  Uh they always made
thier own.  The state must have lost a lot of $$$ since they lost out on all that 4.5% tax they collect!

What the hell man!!!! Robbed 4 times?!!!