Silly Protesters (Read 20894 times)

Rocky

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2016, 01:16:40 PM »
Why they are protesting

Police Calm Millennial Protesters
://babylonbee.com/news/police-calm-millennial-protesters-handing-participation-trophies/
 :thumbsup:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

ren

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2016, 02:00:47 PM »
Deeds Not Words

Rocky

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2016, 02:11:18 PM »
Call for violence
https://www.facebook.com/paul.schrader.900/posts/10209721697752467

Bring it. WHy I'm 2A. :thumbsup:

I see they all have the same mentality regarding Peace and the right.
From his FaceSpace account....

" I felt the call to violence in the 60's and I feel it now again.
This attack on liberty and tolerance will not be solved by appeasement.
Obama tried that for eight years.
We should finance those who support violence resistance.
We should be willing to take arms."    :crazy: :crazy:
 :wtf:
I never knew the "right" was so violent until recently. It's no wonder they oppose firearms.
They'd be dangerous Mo'Fo's in possession.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

eyeeatingfish

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2016, 04:20:11 PM »
    EEF you fail to see my "counter protest" facetiousness.
I would not waste my time countering this rally (remember, their not calling it a protest) just as much as I would not be present at a "Nuke the whales for Jesus" rally.  :worship:

"If progressives took over and implemented all their laws restricting our rights then your own logic would justify us being thrown in jail if we made any waves against the government."
Really?
What do you think would happen if they took away our 2nd Amendment ?
Would we not "make a statement"  that at the least, would get us thrown in jail.

     The sole purpose and mantra of these sheeple is "disrupting politics as usual" and  even if you are assuming this implies dissent upon bureaucracy and corruption, it is not for the loss of any specific amendment.

    Their goal is to disrupt our democratic process by not allowing our legitimately elected President Elect to take office of POTUS , leader of our country and instead, place the officially non-elected candidate to take this position..
Sounds like a treason to me.   :closed:

I don't think their goal is to install a different president but just to express their displeasure with who won.

zippz

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2016, 04:28:44 PM »
The Honolulu protest...er rally...changed to 4 to 6pm.  I drove by at 3:00pm and there wasn't much going on.

passivekinetic

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2016, 04:47:34 PM »
The Honolulu protest...er rally...changed to 4 to 6pm.  I drove by at 3:00pm and there wasn't much going on.

You mean on the streets, or in their heads?

I know, I know, some of you wisecracks will say, What's the difference?!

 :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

macsak

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2016, 10:06:20 PM »
You mean on the streets, or in their heads?

I know, I know, some of you wisecracks will say, What's the difference?!

 :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:

the press is claiming 1000 people showed up
which means 5-700 TOPS

passivekinetic

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2016, 10:24:07 PM »
Did they do anything?
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

ren

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2016, 06:22:58 AM »
The Advertiser said there were hundreds and that unions like HSTA were backing them up.
Not wise I think.
For a blue state going to a Red COngress, we aren't going to sway congress people to give up some federal $$$.
I read in the media that if the State doesn't get rail money their next plan is to tax the residents more.
Deeds Not Words

zippz

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2016, 10:09:37 AM »
Anyone see the rally er I meant protest.  Or was it a rally?  I forgot.  I wanted to see it but they changed the time and went to support the FNRA.

1,000 members is impressive by Hawaii standards for a grass roots march where it's difficult to get 200 people for a pro-gun rally.  Even 500 people would be impressive.  There could be things we could learn from them to organize our rallys and drum up support in the future like having planning meetings with the community, unity in the firearms community, social media and word of mouth, getting larger non-gun organizations to back us, etc.  To me our firearms community is fragmented, resistant to change, many owners don't show support, marketing and planning is bad, not using our resources, and we don't seek support from the general community.  I see the same issues compared to the Hawaiian sovereignty movement.  It would be good to get into one of these organizations and see how they operate.

I think think their rally was very successful in that they rounded up a lot of marchers (I didn't think anyone would participate), got good media attention, kept it peaceful, and were unified.  I don't support their message but I think there is a lot we can learn from them if we keep an open mind.

Things I got out of it:
1.  Unified message with specific demands
2.  Getting outside support (Union 5)
3.  Small protests held prior to get media coverage and draw interest for the rally
4.  Open meetings were held for planning and prep
5.  Tied rally to national issues
6.  Good iconic route and venue for the march, good audience.  (I know Trump hotel isn't actually owned by Trump, but most people don't know that).
7.  Diverse backgrounds - women and children, locals and visitors, and politicians which gains credibility
8.  Used non-locals to good effect, I think they tend to be more vocal and outgoing.
9.  Using social media.

Things we can do for our rallys:
1.  Work for unity and get all shooting clubs, stores, and organizations involved openly.  Don't alienate pro-gun liberals.
2.  Get outside support from the military, domestic violence groups, police union, etc.
3.  Get media coverage prior and tie it into the rally.  Have a shooting competition, gun show, or FNRA event and talk about gun rights and add a blurb about the upcoming rally.
4.  Have open meetings and plan early.  Get necessary permits.
5.  Tie what we are doing to gun rights movements on the mainland (CCW)
6.  Have a good route and venue.  I think rally's at the capitol are a bad place since it's focused on the politicians.  We have to focus our message out to the community which is more important.
7.  We need more women and children involved (air rifle shooters), along with non-locals (military).  Also celebrities (Onesai, Kimura, etc) and pro-gun politicians (Sam Kong) to add credibility.
8.  Use social media and other marketing to promote the event.  I know a lot of the gun community is old or anti-social media, but it's a very effective way to get people involved.
9.  Get a journalism or communications major or professional to help with advertising.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2016, 10:33:02 AM by zippz »

oldfart

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2016, 10:18:53 AM »
They held a successful rally... on a Sunday evening.
Most people aren't working on Sunday evening and I'll bet a lot of people there don't have jobs either.

Compare that to our 2a rally at the state capitol in the middle of a working weekday when most of us are working.
What, Me Worry?

zippz

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2016, 10:23:22 AM »
They held a successful rally... on a Sunday evening.
Most people aren't working on Sunday evening and I'll bet a lot of people there don't have jobs either.

Compare that to our 2a rally at the state capitol in the middle of a working weekday when most of us are working.

That's a good observation.  I know that was a complaint in the past and especially when done on short notice.  We don't have to rally to the politicians at the capitol.  If we get a large rally in the community on a weekend, the politicians will get the message on TV and social media.

Rocky

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2016, 11:46:56 AM »


I'm lovin this
Gen Snowflake 1  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Get into the meat of this Senators  matter around :4:40  :thumbsup:

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/12/suck-it-up-buttercup-iowa-lawmaker-proposes-bill-punishing-schools-coddling-anti-trump-students/
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

zippz

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2016, 11:59:08 AM »
I can't imagine what it would be like if World War III popped up and we had to do a draft.

hvybarrels

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2016, 01:00:19 PM »
1.  Work for unity and get all shooting clubs, stores, and organizations involved openly.  Don't alienate pro-gun liberals.

Thank you although I don't consider myself a modern liberal but more of a classic conservative, as in believe the rule of constitutional law and that history clearly shows societies that take care of everyone (not just the ones on the top) are the most stable and least prone to sudden failure.

That was also a great point about comparing the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement to the current state of 2A. Although I find credibility in their claim of illegal annexation it's like the HSM is literally playing to lose by isolating outside support and help. The problem is that too many of the higher-ups are professional pan-handlers and want hand outs instead of justice, and in order to qualify for hand outs they have to keep the colonial-minded notions of "pure race" front and center. It's a very sticky trap and you have to admire the cleverness of the colonizers for coming up with these divite et impera scheme which have been used all over the world for hundreds of years.

Finally the HSM and Native American groups seem to be getting it at the TMT/DAPL protests where younger less corruptable leaders who don't hold officially recognized positions are taking over and sharing the positive messages of their culture (which people need to hear right now if we are to survive on this planet) instead of fighting for scraps under the table like starving dogs.

The sticky trap of the current gun rights movement is locked in it's near-inseparable relationship with modern conservatism, which is extremely unpopular in urban Honolulu. Although the grip of the liberal media has seriously slipped since the election they still have control of the main public perception that Gun Rights Supporter = Racist Homophobe Climate Science Denier. I have friends in my union who own guns but won't become politically active because they don't want to attend meetings where people hate them because they support organizations that literally are the only protected working class jobs left while working men and women everywhere are getting screwed by inflation, healthcare, and off-shoring.

Literally the first thing the targeted NRA adds on YouTube says something about Obama caring more about Muslim extremists than gun rights. Way to turn people off, Wayne. Why don't you just wave a rebel flag and whistle Dixie while your at it?

The 2A community, especially in Hawaii, has to make the switch from negative fear-based isolationist rhetoric to something more positive and inclusive if it wants to survive. This also goes for other parties intent on pushing out the entrenched corporate vampire Democrat establishment.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2016, 01:05:31 PM by hvybarrels »
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passivekinetic

Re: Silly Protesters
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2016, 05:34:51 PM »
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

passivekinetic

"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous